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> There is a lot of talk of fear and depression in the
> RunningOnEmpty (Yahoo) groups. I think that is one of the most
> important issues to deal with, because it can easily paralyze a
> person. Here is how I dealt with it.
>
> I was progressively enlightened to the issue after 9-11. That
> event is a major part of the Oil Peak story, and I'll leave you to
> do
> the research into why. I spent nearly a year on the verge of
> needing therapy. I alienated my wife and family. I was out of the
> Matrix and everyone around me was still slumbering.
>
> In May of 2003, I decided to produce a documentary project
> related to 9-11 that would challenge the official story of what
> happened that day. The more I contemplated it, the more it
> seemed that the documentary should be about Oil Peak, since
> 9-11, Afghanistan, Enron, Iraq, the Patriot Act, and the economy
> all seemed to be tied to oil. Peak is the story of the decade, if
> not
> the millenium. That documentary turned out to be "The End of
> Suburbia", which some of you may already be familiar with.
>
> Producing it achieved two things. It provided a worthwhile project
> to distract me from my angst. It also allowed me to regain a
> sense of control over the problem. I was going to help a few
> others understand and prepare for the collapse. Now that the
> project is finished I haven't felt better, at least mentally, in 18
> months. As much as I hate the word "empowered", I have been.
>
> My point to this is that getting involved is, in my opinion, one of
> the best ways to deal with the stress and depression of being
> out of the Matrix. Think of ways you can use your resources to
> inform, educate and prepare people around you. Explore ways
> to encourage self-sufficiency in your community. Know that you
> *will* encounter resistance. Let the fight distract you from your
> own mental anguish. Learn how to play a musical instrument.
> You'll be the most valuable person on your block on dark nights
> when there's no TV.
>
> Once you have an awareness of what peak means, it seems like
> your problems are just beginning. However, we should consider
> ourselves lucky to have the insight that will enable us to grasp
> what is happenng when it starts to hit home. A lot of people
> around us are going to be in their own depression and denial,
> and they will need our help and understanding. Don't just sit
> there, get ready.
>
> Barry Silverthorn
> up near Toronto somewhere
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<DIV>i love it, again you can use all the escapes you want, you can even intelectulize them, but at the end of the day everything is created by thought,[fear and pleasure,] and the realization that thought is limited to rational technical medium to be of any use to anyone, </DIV>
<DIV>fear and pleasure are totaly caused, by thought, if you are acting and thinking as one there is no room for fear, only action, it doesn't mater if your in a world war, climbing a mountain or having sex</DIV>
<DIV>you can go to your doctor your therapist, but they will not cure your problem till you understand for yourself exactly what thought is, and thought is the most powerfull force in the universe, but until you understand,by watching your thoughts 24/7 and following them to their end, thought will controll you, </DIV>
<DIV>love and freedom are at the begining</DIV>
<DIV>martin</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Now depression is a whole other thing. It has all sorts of chemical, neurological and physiological reasons for being. The very best preventive and cure is doing something (if you catch it in time…otherwise you can’t do a thing, you are paralyzed…useless on your own. That’s why we have networks.) Now doing something positive, that makes a difference, well that gets rid of depression, especially if you can do it in the sunshine and work up a sweat…to get the serotonin (spelling?) levels elevated and eating organic food for peak nutrition…well that is very good for stopping depression.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So I think I am saying the best cure for depression is Permaculture. When those murky depths loom and I slide into the gloom, I can pull myself out very quickly (as I fear depression) all because of the positivism and cooperation that Permaculture teaches. I have the network, I have the tools and I thank Bill and David for putting it all down so clearly…a road map to follow.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Now you may say I have just escaped the fear and the depression but you don’t know me. Nor does my husband, or my children, nor those who work with me. Mine is my own reality and I tell you that Permaculture can stop/ reduce my fear and depression and so it must be so.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If someone else says their fear and depression comes from peak oil then I accept that too is their reality and I cannot say it is otherwise. But I can suggest that they use their fear and the tools of Permaculture to move beyond fear and depression as I do accept that we all have some understanding of the human condition otherwise we would not bother to communicate.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">And Martin when you do die all your thoughts and memories will not die with you as I for one have taken things that you have said into my reality, or used some of your ideas to trigger other ideas and that will trigger thoughts in others and so they will live on in some form long after you are gone.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> permaculture-oceania-admin at lists.cat.org.au [mailto:permaculture-oceania-admin at lists.cat.org.au] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Martin Naylor<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, 22 March 2005 5:40 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> permaculture-oceania at lists.cat.org.au<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [permaculture-oceania] Fw: Dealing with it</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">hi</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">fear and depresion, where dos it come from, it certainly doesn't come from peak oil, how you failed to deal with it was by escaping from the fact, only you can understand you, your wife, your children, your parents, your religious systems, your political systems, your therapist,any form of authority can't understand you</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">you may be empowered but you have still not solved your problem of fear, becuase all you have done is practice an escape from the fact and when you realize all the escapes that have been used from the begining of the human race,and deny the use of them, then you and only you will be able to confront that basic fear and defeat it</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">enjoy your confrontation and victory, i might hear from you but then again i might be dead and with it all my memories and thoughts of the life i have lived</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">love and freedom are at the begining</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">martin<BR><BR><B><I><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">Cameron Little <cameron.little at unsw.edu.au></SPAN></I></B> wrote:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>Subject: [permaculturevisions] Fw: Dealing with it<BR><BR><BR>From the producer/editor of the 'End of Suburbia' documentary.<BR><BR><BR>> There is a lot of talk of fear and depression in the <BR>> RunningOnEmpty (Yahoo) groups. I think that is one of the most <BR>> important issues to deal with, because it can easily paralyze a <BR>> person. Here is how I dealt with it.<BR>> <BR>> I was progressively enlightened to the issue after 9-11. That <BR>> event is a major part of the Oil Peak story, and I'll leave you to <BR>> do <BR>> the research into why. I spent nearly a year on the verge of <BR>> needing therapy. I alienated my wife and family. I was out of the <BR>> Matrix and everyone around me was still slumbering.<BR>> <BR>> In May of 2003, I decided to produce a documentary project <BR>> related to 9-11 that would challenge the
official story of what <BR>> happened that day. The more I contemplated it, the more it <BR>> seemed that the documentary should be about Oil Peak, since <BR>> 9-11, Afghanistan, Enron, Iraq, the Patriot Act, and the economy <BR>> all seemed to be tied to oil. Peak is the story of the decade, if <BR>> not <BR>> the millenium. That documentary turned out to be "The End of <BR>> Suburbia", which some of you may already be familiar with.<BR>> <BR>> Producing it achieved two things. It provided a worthwhile project <BR>> to distract me from my angst. It also allowed me to regain a <BR>> sense of control over the problem. I was going to help a few <BR>> others understand and prepare for the collapse. Now that the <BR>> project is finished I haven't felt better, at least mentally, in 18 <BR>> months. As much as I hate the word "empowered", I have been.<BR>> <BR>> My point to this is that getting involved is, in my opinion, one of <BR>>
the best ways to deal with the stress and depression of being <BR>> out of the Matrix. Think of ways you can use your resources to <BR>> inform, educate and prepare people around you. Explore ways <BR>> to encourage self-sufficiency in your community. Know that you <BR>> *will* encounter resistance. Let the fight distract you from your <BR>> own mental anguish. Learn how to play a musical instrument. <BR>> You'll be the most valuable person on your block on dark nights <BR>> when there's no TV.<BR>> <BR>> Once you have an awareness of what peak means, it seems like <BR>> your problems are just beginning. However, we should consider <BR>> ourselves lucky to have the insight that will enable us to grasp <BR>> what is happenng when it starts to hit home. A lot of people <BR>> around us are going to be in their own depression and denial, <BR>> and they will need our help and understanding. Don't just sit <BR>> there, get ready.<BR>>
<BR>> Barry Silverthorn<BR>> up near Toronto somewhere<BR><BR><BR><BR>Yahoo! Groups Links<BR><BR><*> To visit your group on the web, go to:<BR>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/permaculturevisions/<BR><BR><*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:<BR>permaculturevisions-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com<BR><BR><*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:<BR>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>permaculture-oceania mailing list<BR>permaculture-oceania at lists.cat.org.au<BR>http://lists.cat.org.au/cgi-bin/m/listinfo/permaculture-oceania</SPAN></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE>
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