ping darren - RE: [permaculture-oceania] Kleenmaid & Knives

[len organicpc]

g'day james,

thanks for the info'.

so it used 22.5 litres of water to wash with and 22.5 litres of water to 
rinse with?

mmm dunno about using power to heat water at the machine, sounds somewhat 
inefficient to me but whatever i suppose?

maybe the efficiency ratings aren't quiet what they should be?? a bit like 
those medieval tailors who made the king a suit of clothes from gossamer and 
relieved him of a kings fortune hey chuckle??



With peace and brightest of blessings,

len

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>From: James Sprunt <mcsprint71 at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: permaculture-oceania <permaculture-oceania at lists.cat.org.au>
>To: 'permaculture-oceania' <permaculture-oceania at lists.cat.org.au>
>Subject: RE: ping darren - RE: [permaculture-oceania] Kleenmaid & Knives
>Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:44:09 -0700 (PDT)
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>Hi all,
>
>
>
>Just did first load with new Asko W6342 –for a load of nappies it took just 
>over an hour
>
>“White” setting
>
>40C (which it heats itself)
>
>1000rpms spin (instead of 1400)
>
>Less than 1 tbsp AWARE powder
>
>used about 45 litres.
>
>
>
>Was able to collect the last rinse to usein soaking nappies and the rest is 
>going through a grey water system.
>
>
>
>Will reduce the temperature and see ifthat makes a difference to the 
>cleaning as “they say” soap in frontloaders requires warm water to activate 
>the enzymes – not sure if that isa marketing tool or not, but will use cold 
>setting and see what happens.
>
>
>
>Using the normal wash setting which goesfor a about 90minutes, uses 40C, it 
>still has one of the best energy efficiencyratings of rates 4.5*  (175kWh 
>per year). So far so good.
>
>
>
>Keep you informed.
>
>
>
>Regards,
>
>
>
>James
>
>
>
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>From: 
>permaculture-oceania-bounces at lists.cat.org.au[mailto:permaculture-oceania-bounces at lists.cat.org.au]On 
>Behalf Of John Bickmore
>Sent: Thursday, 31 August 2006 3:23PM
>To: permaculture-oceania at lists.cat.org.au
>Subject: Re: ping darren - RE: [permaculture-oceania] Kleenmaid & Knives
>
>
>
>
>Hi Len
>
>Theresnothing to stop you catching the water from your front loader and 
>using it toflush your toilet! or use on the garden.  The water rating only 
>measureswater used - nothing else!, the energy rating measures power used 
>for astandard load - nothing else.  Choice surveys offer some idea of 
>negativesof particular models.
>
>We haventused a dryer in 10 years and havent missed it so were not 
>interested in amachine that also dryed.  I agree we should be paying a more 
>realisticprice for the energy & water we use then we would use less.  
>Whichbrings us back to a standard system to allow us to compare between 
>models topurchase the most efficient.
>
>RegardsJohn
>
>
>
>
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>From: "lenorganicpc" <gardenlen at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: permaculture-oceania <permaculture-oceania at lists.cat.org.au>
>To: permaculture-oceania at lists.cat.org.au
>Subject: Re: ping darren - RE: [permaculture-oceania] Kleenmaid & Knives
>Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:02:27 +1000
> >thanks james,
> >
> >real water management at least will only come when the initial water
> >load is used more than once, so the 100 litres of water if it can be
> >used 2 or 3 times then becomes realy efficient.
> >
> >and yes my doubt are from my suspicions of gove' supported industry
> >standards being purported to be the ultimate, so they offer a
> >monitery reward. and i would have my suspicions that whom ever did
> >the research had any interest in highlighting any downsides that
> >type of machine may have.
> >
> >if water becomes more and more scarce then a return to the laundry
> >drudge if i might say that will be the only way to get real
> >efficiencies, as the auto robotic type set and forget system just
> >can't come up with the goods and on the power side which you are
> >more atuned to some of those front loader monolyths even do the
> >clothes drying, defineatly not encouraging wise use of resources
> >hey?
> >
> >feel good is not the answer
> >
> >
> >With peace and brightest of blessings,
> >
> >len
> >
>
>
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