[Pil-pc-oceania] IPC8 Donation

[stevehart]

I put out a request recently for help to get some delegats to IPC8  
there has been some good support but Pat Dare says there was another  
donation that has not got through....can anyone help with  
this....copy of Pats email here...thanks Steve Hart

Ali said "There was also a lady from a Sydney pc group who emailed  
saying she wanted information on where to send USD $1500 that had  
been collected for an Asian. They had contacted PIL previously. I  
gave her the info and never heard back".

I cannot follow up on this because  I dont have her name, but if this  
money was on hand for Ali he would then have enough for the 2 Asian  
delegates.  I have sent 1000USD and so have 2 others from WA.  There  
has been $200 from PIL and another $400 sent I think.  Please let me  
know if you have any idea who might have made this offer.

Pat........email: bpdare at iinet.net.au


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> From: "Adrian Wedd" <adrian at adrianwedd.com>
> Subject: [Pil-pc-oceania] seen many bees around lately?
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> hi folks,
>
> having noticed less bees around i've been keeping a keen eye on the  
> news on
> 'colony collapse disorder'.
>
> i'm wondering if anyone else in australia has noticed less bees  
> buzzing
> around this year?
>
> A.
>
>
> -- 
> Adrian Wedd
> http://adrianwedd.com
> adrian at adrianwedd.com
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> From: "permaculture at apollobay.org.au" <permaculture at apollobay.org.au>
> Subject: Re: [Pil-pc-oceania] seen many bees around lately?
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> Below is from GeneEthics regarding bees in the USA... I haven't  
> noticed
> many bees around either... plenty of wasps though, especially european
> wasps.
>
> Fern
>
>
>
> Thursday 12/4 The Age has a piece on sending bees to the USA  
> because US bees
> are dying like flies and pollination of trees and crops is  
> suffering. No
> pollination, no fruit. The cause of the bee die
> off is still unexplained but some
> people speculate that GE crops may be implicated. See items below FYI.
>
> Drop a note please to:
>
> letters at theage.com.au
>
> Peace and joy,
>
> Bob
> -- 
>
> ooooOOOOoooo
>
> Bob Phelps
> Executive Director
> Gene Ethics
> Level 2, 60 Leicester St, Carlton 3053 Australia
> Tel: 03 9347 4500 {Int Code +613} or 1300 133 868
> Fax: 03 9345 1166
> Email: info at geneethics.org
> WWW: http://www.geneethics.org
>
> THINK, CARE, ACT!
>
> Wild Bees Reject Genetically Engineered Crop -
> Potential Major Impact on Pollination
> Ecological Society of America, Dec 23, 2006
> By Ecological Society of America, Dec 23, 2006
>
>> From Ecological Society of America Referring to a
> Sept. 2004 peer-reviewed article
>
> Department of Biological Sciences, Simon Fraser
> University, 8888 University Drive, Burnaby,
> British Columbia, V5A 1S6, Canada
>
> Abstract. The ecological impacts of agriculture
> are of concern, especially with genetically
> modified and other intensive, modern cropping
> systems, yet little is known about effects on
> wild bee populations and subsequent implications
> for pollination. Pollination deficit (the
> difference between potential and actual
> pollination) and bee abundance were measured in
> organic, conventional, and herbicide-resistant,
> genetically modified (GM) canola fields (Brassica
> napus and B. rapa) in northern Alberta, Canada,
> in the summer of 2002.
>
> Bee abundance data were collected using pan traps
> and standardized sweep netting, and pollination
> deficit was assessed by comparing the number of
> seeds per fruit from open-pollinated and
> supplementally pollinated flowers. There was no
> pollination deficit in organic fields, a moderate
> pollination deficit in conventional fields, and
> the greatest pollination deficit in GM fields.
> Bee abundance was greatest in organic fields,
> followed by conventional fields, and lowest in GM
> fields. Overall, there was a strong, positive
> relationship between bee abundance at sampling
> locations and reduced pollination deficits. Seed
> set in B. napus increased with greater bee
> abundance. Because B. rapa is an obligate
> outcrossing species, the lack of pollination
> deficit in the organic (B. rapa) fields likely
> was due to the high bee abundance rather than a
> lower dependence of B. rapa on pollinators than
> B. napus canola. Our study illustrates the
> importance of wild bees to agricultural
> production and suggests that some agroecosystems
> may better sustain wild bee abundance, resulting
> in greater seed production.
>
> Further research on why some cropping systems,
> such as genetically modified, herbicide-resistant
> canola, have low wild bee abundance would be
> useful for management of agroecosystems to
> promote sustainability of food production. Key
> words: agriculture; bees; Brassica rapa; Brassica
> napus; canola; conventional; genetically
> modified; organic; pollination; sustainable
> development.
>
> Manuscript received 3 September 2003; revised 3
> September 2004; accepted 8 September 2004.
> Corresponding Editor: C. R. Linder ? Copyright by
> Ecological Society of America 2005
> ..............................
>
> Honeybees Are Dying Out In 24 American States
> By: Press Release
> Source:<http://www.enjoyfrance.com/ > http://www.enjoyfrance.com
>
> March 7, 2007
>
> As many as 24 American states are experiencing an
> alarming loss of honeybees, which are dying out
> and this poses a serious threat to many crops.
>
> American beekeepers have experienced regional
> problems before but there has never been a
> national cause for concern as there is now,
> because bees pollinate more than $14bn (?7bn)
> worth of American-grown crops each year.
>
> There has been no definite cause for the bees
> dying but viruses, mites, fungi and pesticides
> could all be to blame it is claimed. The
> researchers investigation the threat to bees and
> farming have found that the bees are dying away
> from the hives and think that pesticides banned
> in some European countries may be causing the
> bees to be unable to find their way home.
>
> Crops such as avocados, kiwis and California
> almonds are amongst those hit by the crisis and
> it is feared the problem could prove the breaking
> point for even large beekeepers.
>
> In the UK honeybees have also been seriously
> declining due to the varroa mite and some species
> of bumblebee are now seriously endangered as well.
>
> The investigators are exploring a range of
> possibilities to explain the losses, which they
> are calling "colony collapse disorder". These
> include viruses, a fungus and poor bee nutrition.
> .............................
>
> Are GM Crops Killing Honeybees?
>
> The honeybee population may be in grave decline
> around the United States. This is a serious
> problem, as almost 100 crops need honeybees to
> transport pollen between flowers, prompting
> fertilization and jump-starting the production of
> seed and fruit.
> However, there may soon not be enough bees to
> transport a sufficient amount of pollen, as a
> result of colony collapse disorder; this is the
> catch-all name that encompasses a myriad of
> possible reasons why the honeybees are
> disappearing, ranging from a new infection to a
> compromised immune system.
> Some economists have estimated this single
> species is worth as much as $14 billion to the
> U.S. economy. Moreover, pollinated plants may
> account for as much as one-third of the average
> American diet, and possibly the healthiest
> portion of it.
> A German study may have identified a simple
> answer to the problem: The ongoing blight of
> genetically modified (GM) crops. When bees were
> released in a GM rapeseed crop, then fed the
> pollen to younger bees, scientists discovered the
> bacteria in the guts of the young ones mirrored
> the same genetic traits as ones found in the GM
> crop.
> ...........................
>
> Disappearing honeybees imperil crops, keepers
> Harvesters in 24 states report hive population
> rates have mysteriously fallen 30% to 70%.
> Alexei Barrionuevo / New York Times
>
> VISALIA, Calif. -- David Bradshaw has endured
> countless stings during his life as a beekeeper,
> but he got the shock of his career when he opened
> his boxes last month and found half of his 100
> million bees missing.
> In 24 states, including Michigan, beekeepers have
> gone through similar shocks as their bees have
> been disappearing inexplicably at an alarming
> rate, threatening not only their livelihoods but
> also the production of numerous crops.
> "I have never seen anything like it," Bradshaw,
> 50, said. "Box after box after box are just
> empty. There's nobody home."
> The sudden mysterious losses are highlighting the
> critical link that honeybees play in the long
> chain that gets fruit and vegetables to
> supermarkets and dinner tables across the
> country. Beekeepers have fought regional bee
> crises before, but this is the first national
> affliction.
> In a mystery worthy of Agatha Christie, bees are
> flying off in search of pollen and nectar and
> never returning to their colonies. Nobody knows
> why. Researchers say the bees are presumably
> dying in the fields, perhaps becoming exhausted
> or disoriented and falling victim to the cold.
> As researchers scramble to find answers to the
> syndrome they call "colony collapse disorder,"
> growers are becoming openly nervous about the
> capability of the commercial bee industry to meet
> the growing demand for bees to pollinate dozens
> of crops, from almonds to avocados to kiwis.
> A Cornell University study has estimated that
> honeybees annually pollinate more than $14
> billion worth of seeds and crops in the United
> States, mostly fruits, vegetables and nuts.
> "Every third bite we consume in our diet is
> dependent on a honeybee to pollinate that food,"
> said Zac Browning of the American Beekeeping
> Federation.
> The bee losses are ranging from 30 percent to 60
> percent on the West Coast, with some beekeepers
> on the East Coast and in Texas reporting losses
> of more than 70 percent; beekeepers consider a
> loss of up to 20 percent in the off-season to be
> normal.
> Over the past two decades, the number of
> beehives, estimated by the Agriculture Department
> to be 2.4 million, has dropped by a quarter and
> the number of beekeepers by half.
> It could just be that the bees are stressed out.
> Bees are being raised to survive a shorter
> off-season, to be ready to pollinate once the
> almond bloom begins in February. That likely
> lowered their immunity to viruses.
> Mites have also damaged bee colonies, and the
> insecticides used to try to kill mites are
> harming the ability of queen bees to spawn as
> many worker bees. The queens are living half as
> long as they did just a few years ago.
> Researchers are also concerned that the
> willingness of beekeepers to truck their colonies
> from coast to coast could be adding to bees'
> stress.
> ........................................
>
> GM WATCH daily
> http://www.gmwatch.org
> ---
> Der Spiegel is Europe's biggest and Germany's
> most influential news magazine with a circulation
> of around one million.
>
> EXTRACT: The researchers examined the effects of
> pollen from a genetically modified maize variant
> called "Bt corn" on bees... According to
> Hans-Hinrich Kaatz, a professor at the University
> of Halle in eastern Germany and the director of
> the study, the bacterial toxin in the genetically
> modified corn may have "altered the surface of
> the bee's intestines, sufficiently weakening the
> bees to allow the parasites to gain entry -- or
> perhaps it was the other way around. We don't
> know."
> ---
>
> COLLAPSING COLONIES
> Are GM Crops Killing Bees?
> By Gunther Latsch
> Der Spiegel (edited)
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,473166,00.html
>
> A mysterious decimation of bee populations has
> German beekeepers worried, while a similar
> phenomenon in the United States is gradually
> assuming catastrophic proportions. The
> consequences for agriculture and the economy
> could be enormous.
>
> Is the mysterous decimation of bee populations in
> the US and Germany a result of GM crops? Walter
> Haefeker is a man who is used to painting grim
> scenarios. He sits on the board of directors of
> the German Beekeepers Association (DBIB) and is
> vice president of the European Professional
> Beekeepers Association. And because griping is
> part of a lobbyist's trade, it is practically his
> professional duty to warn that "the very
> existence of beekeeping is at stake."
>
> The problem, says Haefeker, has a number of
> causes, one being the varroa mite, introduced
> from Asia, and another is the widespread practice
> in agriculture of spraying wildflowers with
> herbicides and practicing monoculture. Another
> possible cause, according to Haefeker, is the
> controversial and growing use of genetic
> engineering in agriculture.
>
> As far back as 2005, Haefeker ended an article he
> contributed to the journal Der Kritischer
> Agrarbericht (Critical Agricultural Report) with
> an Albert Einstein quote: "If the bee disappeared
> off the surface of the globe then man would only
> have four years of life left. No more bees, no
> more pollination, no more plants, no more
> animals, no more man."
>
> Mysterious events in recent months have suddenly
> made Einstein's apocalyptic vision seem all the
> more topical. For unknown reasons, bee
> populations throughout Germany are disappearing
> -- something that is so far only harming
> beekeepers. But the situation is different in the
> United States, where bees are dying in such
> dramatic numbers that the economic consequences
> could soon be dire. No one knows what is causing
> the bees to perish, but some experts believe that
> the large-scale use of genetically modified
> plants in the US could be a factor.
>
> FROM THE MAGAZINE
>
> The scientists are also surprised that bees and
> other insects usually leave the abandoned hives
> untouched. Nearby bee populations or parasites
> would normally raid the honey and pollen stores
> of colonies that have died for other reasons,
> such as excessive winter cold. "This suggests
> that there is something toxic in the colony
> itself which is repelling them," says Cox-Foster.
>
> Walter Haefeker, the German beekeeping official,
> speculates that "besides a number of other
> factors," the fact that genetically modified,
> insect-resistant plants are now used in 40
> percent of cornfields in the United States could
> be playing a role. The figure is much lower in
> Germany -- only 0.06 percent -- and most of that
> occurs in the eastern states of
> Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania and Brandenburg.
> Haefeker recently sent a researcher at the CCD
> Working Group some data from a bee study that he
> has long felt shows a possible connection between
> genetic engineering and diseases in bees.
>
> The study in question is a small research project
> conducted at the University of Jena from 2001 to
> 2004. The researchers examined the effects of
> pollen from a genetically modified maize variant
> called "Bt corn" on bees. A gene from a soil
> bacterium had been inserted into the corn that
> enabled the plant to produce an agent that is
> toxic to insect pests. The study concluded that
> there was no evidence of a "toxic effect of Bt
> corn on healthy honeybee populations." But when,
> by sheer chance, the bees used in the experiments
> were infested with a parasite, something eerie
> happened. According to the Jena study, a
> "significantly stronger decline in the number of
> bees" occurred among the insects that had been
> fed a highly concentrated Bt poison feed.
>
> According to Hans-Hinrich Kaatz, a professor at
> the University of Halle in eastern Germany and
> the director of the study, the bacterial toxin in
> the genetically modified corn may have "altered
> the surface of the bee's intestines, sufficiently
> weakening the bees to allow the parasites to gain
> entry -- or perhaps it was the other way around.
> We don't know."
>
> Of course, the concentration of the toxin was ten
> times higher in the experiments than in normal Bt
> corn pollen. In addition, the bee feed was
> administered over a relatively lengthy six-week
> period. Kaatz would have preferred to continue
> studying the phenomenon but lacked the necessary
> funding. "Those who have the money are not
> interested in this sort of research," says the
> professor, "and those who are interested don't
> have the money."
> .......................................
>
> Breaking News
> Dr Michael Ellis
> *Collapsing Colonies
> Are GM Crops Killing Bees?*
>
> Albert Einstein quote: "If the bee disappeared off the surface of the
> globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more  
> bees, no
> more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man."
>
> The problem, says Haefeker, has a number of causes, one being the  
> varroa
> mite, introduced from Asia, and another is the widespread practice in
> agriculture of spraying wildflowers with herbicides and practicing
> monoculture. Another possible cause, according to Haefeker, is the
> controversial and growing use of genetic engineering in agriculture.
> *by Gunther Latsch; Spiegel Online
>
> <<http://www.spiegel. >http://www.spiegel.
> de/international /spiegel/ 0,1518,473166, 00.html
> <<http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,473166,00.html
>> http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,473166,00.html>>;
> March 28, 2007*
>
> A mysterious decimation of bee populations has German beekeepers
> worried, while a similar phenomenon in the United States is gradually
> assuming catastrophic proportions. The consequences for agriculture  
> and
> the economy could be enormous.
>
> Is the mysterous decimation of bee populations in the US and Germany a
> result of GM crops?
>
> Walter Haefeker is a man who is used to painting grim scenarios. He  
> sits
> on the board of directors of the German Beekeepers Association (DBIB)
> and is vice president of the European Professional Beekeepers
> Association. And because griping is part of a lobbyist's trade, it is
> practically his professional duty to warn that "the very existence of
> beekeeping is at stake."
>
> The problem, says Haefeker, has a number of causes, one being the  
> varroa
> mite, introduced from Asia, and another is the widespread practice in
> agriculture of spraying wildflowers with herbicides and practicing
> monoculture. Another possible cause, according to Haefeker, is the
> controversial and growing use of genetic engineering in agriculture.
>
> As far back as 2005, Haefeker ended an article he contributed to the
> journal Der Kritischer Agrarbericht (Critical Agricultural Report)  
> with
> an Albert Einstein quote: "If the bee disappeared off the surface  
> of the
> globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more  
> bees, no
> more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man."
>
> Mysterious events in recent months have suddenly made Einstein's
> apocalyptic vision seem all the more topical. For unknown reasons, bee
> populations throughout Germany are disappearing -- something that  
> is so
> far only harming beekeepers. But the situation is different in the
> United States, where bees are dying in such dramatic numbers that the
> economic consequences could soon be dire. No one knows what is causing
> the bees to perish, but some experts believe that the large-scale  
> use of
> genetically modified plants in the US could be a factor.
>
> Felix Kriechbaum, an official with a regional beekeepers'  
> association in
> Bavaria, recently reported a decline of almost 12 percent in local bee
> populations. When "bee populations disappear without a trace," says
> Kriechbaum, it is difficult to investigate the causes, because "most
> bees don't die in the beehive." There are many diseases that can cause
> bees to lose their sense of orientation so they can no longer find  
> their
> way back to their hives.
>
> Manfred Hederer, the president of the German Beekeepers Association,
> almost simultaneously reported a 25 percent drop in bee populations
> throughout Germany. In isolated cases, says Hederer, declines of up to
> 80 percent have been reported. He speculates that "a particular toxin,
> some agent with which we are not familiar," is killing the bees.
>
> Politicians, until now, have shown little concern for such warnings or
> the woes of beekeepers. Although apiarists have been given a chance to
> make their case -- for example in the run-up to the German cabinet's
> approval of a genetic engineering policy document by Minister of
> Agriculture Horst Seehofer in February -- their complaints are still
> largely ignored.
>
> Even when beekeepers actually go to court, as they recently did in a
> joint effort with the German chapter of the organic farming  
> organization
> Demeter International and other groups to oppose the use of  
> genetically
> modified corn plants, they can only dream of the sort of media  
> attention
> environmental organizations like Greenpeace attract with their  
> protests
> at test sites.
>
> But that could soon change. Since last November, the US has seen a
> decline in bee populations so dramatic that it eclipses all previous
> incidences of mass mortality. Beekeepers on the east coast of the  
> United
> States complain that they have lost more than 70 percent of their  
> stock
> since late last year, while the west coast has seen a decline of up to
> 60 percent.
>
> In an article in its business section in late February, the New York
> Times calculated the damage US agriculture would suffer if bees died
> out. Experts at Cornell University in upstate New York have estimated
> the value bees generate -- by pollinating fruit and vegetable plants,
> almond trees and animal feed like clover -- at more than $14 billion.
>
> Scientists call the mysterious phenomenon "Colony Collapse Disorder"
> (CCD), and it is fast turning into a national catastrophe of sorts. A
> number of universities and government agencies have formed a "CCD
> Working Group" to search for the causes of the calamity, but have  
> so far
> come up empty-handed. But, like Dennis vanEngelsdorp, an apiarist with
> the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture, they are already referring
> to the problem as a potential "AIDS for the bee industry."
>
> One thing is certain: Millions of bees have simply vanished. In most
> cases, all that's left in the hives are the doomed offspring. But dead
> bees are nowhere to be found -- neither in nor anywhere close to the
> hives. Diana Cox-Foster, a member of the CCD Working Group, told The
> Independent that researchers were "extremely alarmed," adding that the
> crisis "has the potential to devastate the US beekeeping industry."
>
> It is particularly worrisome, she said, that the bees' death is
> accompanied by a set of symptoms "which does not seem to match  
> anything
> in the literature."
>
> In many cases, scientists have found evidence of almost all known bee
> viruses in the few surviving bees found in the hives after most have
> disappeared. Some had five or six infections at the same time and were
> infested with fungi -- a sign, experts say, that the insects' immune
> system may have collapsed.
>
> The scientists are also surprised that bees and other insects usually
> leave the abandoned hives untouched. Nearby bee populations or  
> parasites
> would normally raid the honey and pollen stores of colonies that have
> died for other reasons, such as excessive winter cold. "This suggests
> that there is something toxic in the colony itself which is repelling
> them," says Cox-Foster.
>
> Walter Haefeker, the German beekeeping official, speculates that
> "besides a number of other factors," the fact that genetically  
> modified,
> insect-resistant plants are now used in 40 percent of cornfields in  
> the
> United States could be playing a role. The figure is much lower in
> Germany -- only 0.06 percent -- and most of that occurs in the eastern
> states of Mecklenburg- Western Pomerania and Brandenburg. Haefeker
> recently sent a researcher at the CCD Working Group some data from  
> a bee
> study that he has long felt shows a possible connection between  
> genetic
> engineering and diseases in bees.
>
> The study in question is a small research project conducted at the
> University of Jena from 2001 to 2004. The researchers examined the
> effects of pollen from a genetically modified maize variant called "Bt
> corn" on bees. A gene from a soil bacterium had been inserted into the
> corn that enabled the plant to produce an agent that is toxic to  
> insect
> pests. The study concluded that there was no evidence of a "toxic  
> effect
> of Bt corn on healthy honeybee populations. " But when, by sheer  
> chance,
> the bees used in the experiments were infested with a parasite,
> something eerie happened. According to the Jena study, a  
> "significantly
> stronger decline in the number of bees" occurred among the insects  
> that
> had been fed a highly concentrated Bt poison feed.
>
> According to Hans-Hinrich Kaatz, a professor at the University of  
> Halle
> in eastern Germany and the director of the study, the bacterial  
> toxin in
> the genetically modified corn may have "altered the surface of the  
> bee's
> intestines, sufficiently weakening the bees to allow the parasites to
> gain entry -- or perhaps it was the other way around. We don't know."
>
> Of course, the concentration of the toxin was ten times higher in the
> experiments than in normal Bt corn pollen. In addition, the bee  
> feed was
> administered over a relatively lengthy six-week period. Kaatz would  
> have
> preferred to continue studying the phenomenon but lacked the necessary
> funding. "Those who have the money are not interested in this sort of
> research," says the professor, "and those who are interested don't  
> have
> the money."
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Adrian Wedd adrian at adrianwedd.com
> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 07:28:17 +1000
> To: pil-pc-oceania at lists.permacultureinternational.org
> Subject: [Pil-pc-oceania] seen many bees around lately?
>
>
> hi folks,
>
> having noticed less bees around i've been keeping a keen eye on the  
> news on
> 'colony collapse disorder'.
>
> i'm wondering if anyone else in australia has noticed less bees  
> buzzing
> around this year?
>
> A.
>
>
> -- 
> Adrian Wedd
> http://adrianwedd.com
> adrian at adrianwedd.com
> 0407081084
>
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