[Pil-pc-oceania] New Century, New Times, New Approach Needed

[Deb Guildner]

Thanks Russ,

Grist for the Trade Directory,
cant believe they're so cheap.
All we need now is an adcampaign!

Thumbs up for the latest edition of New Internationalist, its pocket-sized 
but a great expose. Loved the Tasmanian times and the key principles.

Congratulations to you and Stephen et al.

Ciao for now,
Deb


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "pacific-edge" <info at pacific-edge.info>
To: "pil" <pil-pc-oceania at lists.permacultureinternational.org>
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Pil-pc-oceania] New Century, New Times, New Approach Needed


> On 3/8/07 9:37 AM, "Deb Guildner" <bocor at bigbutton.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for that,
>> I live in little ol' Adelaide and we dont have nearly the same amount of
>> second hand stuff floating around.
>
> The books I listed weren't second hand. It's a publishers remainers
> bookshop, so the titles are brand new -nothing used or second hand. Fresh
> from the publisher.
>>
>> $35 for Designers Manual is very cheap indeed! (depending on condition).
>
> Brand spanking new edition Deb.
>
> ...Russ
>
>> Thanks again for interesting post,
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Deb
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "pacific-edge" <info at pacific-edge.info>
>> To: "pil" <pil-pc-oceania at lists.permacultureinternational.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 1:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Pil-pc-oceania] New Century, New Times, New Approach Needed
>>
>>
>>> Hi Deb...
>>>
>>> On 1/8/07 10:42 AM, "Deb Guildner" <bocor at bigbutton.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> many previously published Permaculture iconic, how-to-design manuals 
>>>> are
>>>> no longer on view in bookstores, as they used to be for a long time.. I
>>>> know
>>>> there are basic capitalist/industry reasons for this
>>>
>>> It's not simply a capitalist conspiracy but has to do with the high 
>>> value
>>> of
>>> shelf space in bookshops, of which there is limited quantity.
>>>
>>> The continued sale of books long on the market - the so-called 'long 
>>> tail'
>>> of the bookselling business - represent declining value to booksellers 
>>> and
>>> so the titles are eventually moved on, usually for sale as publishers'
>>> remainders at speciality remaindered boostores or in sales, to make way
>>> for
>>> newer titles selling in greater numbers.
>>>
>>> Thus we have the surprising spectacle at places such as Sydney's 
>>> Basement
>>> Books (a publisher's remainer bookstore) of, this week:
>>>
>>> - Australian organic gardener, Richard Bennett's book on organic 
>>> growing -
>>> 'Organic Gardening' - selling for $9.95
>>>
>>> - 'The Gaia Book of Organic Garening', a UK title, going for $8.95
>>>
>>> - the UK Soil Association's 'Soil' going for $2.95.
>>>
>>> Over the past year, other titles familiar to permaculturists have 
>>> appeared
>>> here:
>>>
>>> - Jenny Allen's 'Paradise in Your Garden - Smart Permaculture Design' on
>>> sale at either $24.95 or $9.95, depending on edition
>>>
>>> - Jill Finnane's 'Lawns Into Lunch' for $9.95
>>>
>>> - Bill Mollison and Rey Slay's 'Introduction to Permaculture' for $12.95
>>>
>>> - 'The Seed Savers Handbook' of the Seed Savers Network going for $9.95
>>>
>>> - Bill Mollison's 'Permaculture - A  Designers Manual' selling for $35.
>>>
>>> These are titles that come to mind. There have been others, like a 
>>> number
>>> of
>>> UK books on organic gardening selling around the $9.95 to &12.95 mark.
>>>
>>>> but something needs to be done.
>>>
>>> I'm unsure what you can do about this Deb. It's the economics of
>>> bookselling
>>> even if it does see the disappearacne of books of interest to 
>>> permaculture
>>> people. Some books, like those on permaculture gardening, are steady
>>> sellers
>>> over a longer period of time rather than becoming instant top sellers.
>>> Thus,
>>> they are rarely given top place on bookshelves. Seldom are they 
>>> displayed
>>> cover-out - something usually reserved for only the best selling titles.
>>> Spine-out is usual.
>>>
>>> But all is not lost. There are specialist booksellers like Green 
>>> Harvest,
>>> Francis Lang and Jeff Michael's horticulture mail order company in 
>>> Maleny
>>> (find them online). They sell permaculture and organic gardening books
>>> long
>>> off the shelves in the bookstores. And just this week I saw a copy of
>>> Permaculture-A Designers Manual on sale in Gleebooks gardening section
>>> ($114.95). Rosemary Morrow's second edition of 'The Earth Users Guide to
>>> Permaculture' has been stocked over a long period there, too. David
>>> Holmgren's 'Permaculture - Pathways Beyond Syustainability' is seen on
>>> occasion in different bookshops, its continued presence indicating
>>> continuing sales.
>>>
>>>> Basically it means that it disappears from the public view and becomes
>>>> obscured and forgotten, unaccesible to a whole new generation.
>>>
>>> True. And it's the same with the videos featuring Bill Mollison - the
>>> Heartlands series ('In Grave Danger of Falling Fruit') and 'Global
>>> Gardener'. The ABC chose not to republish these on DVD, and, with VHS
>>> videotape now a legacy format, the titles have been lost to the public
>>> except for those home copiers who have transferred VHS editions to DVD
>>> (illegally, of course).
>>>
>>>> The idea of a new audiovisual for TV - what about payTV: lifestyle 
>>>> stuff
>>>> is
>>>> very popular - is not a bad one, as it has been a long time between
>>>> drinks.
>>>> There is a great opportunity there for a crew with videocam, a laptop, 
>>>> a
>>>> campervan, and a techie or two.. I'd do it if I could but I'm not set 
>>>> up
>>>> for
>>>> it right now.
>>>
>>> Lifestyle is where such a production would be niched. Video, however, is 
>>> a
>>> time consuming and expensive medium though this is not said as
>>> discouragement. Jude and Michel Fanton, Seed Savers Network, have now 
>>> gone
>>> into video production on the seeds theme. You might try producing ten or
>>> so
>>> minute videos on permaculture and placing them on You Tube, as the
>>> Internet
>>> is wwhere video will most likely migrate to.
>>>
>>> Time to take up the videocam Deb?
>>>
>>> ...Russ
>>>
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