[Pil-pc-oceania] alternatives to bamboo for windbreaks

[tamara griffiths]

You can get clumping bamboo from a place in QLD. Guaranteed not to become a 
weed.
T



Tamara Griffiths
39 Wattle Tree Road
Bunyip
Victoria 3815
03 5629 5918
0407 45 7707
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>From: Linda Shewan <linda.shewan at bryn.com.au>
>Reply-To: permacultue discussion 
>list<pil-pc-oceania at lists.permacultureinternational.org>
>To: permacultue discussion 
>list<pil-pc-oceania at lists.permacultureinternational.org>
>Subject: Re: [Pil-pc-oceania] alternatives to bamboo for windbreaks
>Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:45:04 +1000
>
>Thanks Sue, we don't have bamboo here but I am checking with the shire 
>whether we can cut down poplar and willow trees on the stream edges for the 
>same reason but yet to get a response. It's not really the Landcare 
>operation of complete removal so possibly not hugely beneficial but then I 
>don't imagine it would do any harm either. We have thickets of both along 
>the streams right in town and they are both considered a significant 
>weed...
>
>Linda
>
>From: mossmans [mailto:mossmans at internode.on.net]
>Sent: Wednesday, 22 August 2007 7:09 PM
>To: 'permacultue discussion list'
>Subject: Re: [Pil-pc-oceania] fumigated pallets - conclusion
>
>One thing that can be a win-win situation is to use bamboo, Down in the 
>bush area there is a large area of running bamboo that is a real pest, We 
>harvest the bigger pieces which can be up to an inch thick, then you can 
>weave the smaller thicknesses.
>
>We make sure they are dried so there is no chance of sprouting, and or use 
>it upside down.  Probably can't regenerate anyway, but just in case....  
>You can also split some of the thicker bits when it is dry, and these weave 
>easier.
>
>Then you use a tomato stake into the ground and tie the bamboo to it.
>
>Sue
>
>________________________________
>From: pil-pc-oceania-bounces at lists.permacultureinternational.org 
>[mailto:pil-pc-oceania-bounces at lists.permacultureinternational.org] On 
>Behalf Of niree bingham
>Sent: Wednesday, 22 August 2007 11:36 AM
>To: permacultue discussion list
>Subject: Re: [Pil-pc-oceania] fumigated pallets - conclusion
>
>Further to this discussion on pallets and methyl bromide, etc.  and 
>windbreaks, I would still like to know what other ideas people have for 
>windbreaks as the description Linda has given  below still does not deal 
>with the facts that there must be a high embedded energy in pallets coming 
>from Asia, someone still has to do the MB gassing and therefore will be 
>exposed (and so will the ozone) regardless of the fact that the risks have 
>diminished by the time they are being used, there is the potential for the 
>timber to be 'not-so-sustainable' and there may be a more 'useful' solution 
>(the obvious one would be a fruiting hedge).
>Sorry Linda, I know you may be in a hurry, this is not an attack on your 
>decision, I am just keen for alternatives.
>
>Thanks
>
>--
>Niree Bingham
>
>Greenweave Landscape Architecture and Sustainable Property Design
>
>0407 808 852
>
>
>
>
>On 8/21/07, Linda Shewan 
><linda.shewan at bryn.com.au<mailto:linda.shewan at bryn.com.au>> wrote:
>Thought I would update you from our investigations in case anyone else uses 
>them or is thinking of doing so:
>
>Pallets are treated one of three ways -  fumigated with methyl bromide, - 
>heat treated, - "debarked" , prior to being imported to Australia. The 
>method used is usually printed on the pallet.
>
>Methyl bromide is a toxic pesticide (and ozone depleting) that is injected 
>into soil before planting strawberries, grapes almonds and other crops, and 
>to kill pests in stored commodities in agricultural shipments and in 
>buildings.  As a gas it used to fumigate pallets and is used in 
>pre-shipment applications, applied no less than 21 days prior to export (in 
>NZ).
>
>Reports of acute toxicity seem confined to those who inhale the gas up to 
>two days after application.  Chronic toxicity is reported in people who are 
>repeatedly exposed to the gas over long periods of time - usually those who 
>apply it.
>
>It may build up in soils due to repeated applications.
>
>As it is used as a gas for fumigation purposes and most of the gassing off 
>seems to happen within a relatively short period of time we have decided 
>that aged pallets of this nature will be ok for windbreak purposes.
>
>If anyone has anything more to add, would be happy to hear.
>
>Cheers, Linda
>
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