[Pil-pc-oceania] First move of PPP may be to act as wedge in PC movement

timwinton timwinton at internode.on.net
Tue Jul 3 22:36:53 EST 2007


Hi Kerry,

Glad getting my own thoughts down has been useful to you and perhaps others. 
This is causing much conversation for good reason. I think there are two 
very broad groups in permaculture, at least in Australia. They seem to 
correspond to the personalities and actions of the respective founders: 
David- thoughtful, understated and substantial; Bill iconoclastic, media 
savvy and controversial.

In my opinion this is typical Bill- make an outrageous claim, consume all 
the oxygen by fanning controversy, walk away from the smoldering wreckage. I 
think more considered and substantial permaculturists are becoming more and 
more reluctant to be associated with this kind of behavior- even by one of 
the founders.

If there is a real distinction in the permaculture community, it may be 
Bill's intention to highlight this and drive a wedge to cause a split. This 
may be a natural and useful development. As always though, any 
differentiation should be undertaken as compassionately as possible. We'll 
see how we go.

Thanks for your own post. I sensed a real resonance with my own feelings.

Tim






----- Original Message ----- 
From: "kerry dawborn" <kdawborn at bigpond.com>
To: "permacultue discussion list" 
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Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Pil-pc-oceania] First move of PPP may be to act as wedge in PC 
movement


> Tim I want to thank you for your very considered thoughts on the idea of
> a PPP. I haven't been involved in Pc as long as people like you, and
> have no direct experience of the early development of the movement etc,
> so have been a bit reticent in expressing the full extent of my concerns
> on the list and probably even in articulating them fully for myself; no
> matter though - your contribution has done it for me on both counts.
>
> The flurry of discussion on this issue certainly seems to highlight a
> feeling among permies that there is a need to strengthen and perhaps
> consolidate our voice and our presence in the mainstream.... Will be
> interesting to see what happens...
>
> cheers,
>
> Kerry
>
>
>
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