[Pil-pc-oceania] Permaculture People's politics

[Terry Leahy]

What List?  I am quite happy for my remarks to be re-posted on another list.  I should be so lucky etc!  Also did not realize PRI had set up another list but it makes sense when you think about it.  What forum is going to be offered to graduates of PRI courses who are presumably not going to be urged to join PIL?  Do find this a bit depressing.  From our perspective in terms of our list it is also unfortunate, I think people in PRI have a lot to offer and would be interested to hear what they are writing about in their list.  I do not have the same concerns as Tim about Bill's controversial stirring, although I do have some concerns about how he has related to people over the long term, and of course there are some points of disagreement but that is inevitable with any of us,

Terry

>>> kerry dawborn <kdawborn at bigpond.com> Tuesday, 3 July 2007 10:07 pm >>>
I'm quite happy for you to post my messages on the PIR list Fern - 
although somehow I think it would be good in the long term if we were 
all posting to one site, on the issue of PPP. I have to be honest - I 
have only been vaguely aware of the PIR listserve, so I can imagine that 
there are many on that list who are only vaguely aware of PIL. This 
issue has really highlighted for me the existence of two quite distinct 
groups within the movement, and I feel a bit sad and concerned about it. 
I'd like to see the movement working together a bit more effectively 
before we get too serious about going political or in some other way 
trying to build a unified voice in the mainstream.

cheers,

Kerry

permaculture at apollobay.org.au wrote:
> What! another bl**dy list!  Aren't we fragmented enough as it is?
>
> If it's fine with everyone who's posted on this topic, I'll just post them
> all on Geoff Lawton's forum, as I've got them all collated together because
> I emailed them to Tamara and urged her to join the PIL list serve and reply
> to them.  She read, joined and replied.
> Perhaps if I posted all the PIL list serve responses then more people will
> join the list serve and the permaculture community will be slightly more
> knitted together?
>
> By the way, the response on this list serve is far more in depth (in my
> opinion) to what's posted on this topic on Geoff Lawton's site.  I suppose
> that's why I posted it here, because I thought it needed more in depth
> discussion with established permaculture practitioners.
>
> The problem with the permaculture network is that we're not all networked
> together... there's so many factions... and list serves and forums and
> organisations etc. and we're not all connected together.
>   
> Solution?  Well, Tim's attempt with getting a PIL sub committee consisting
> of regional participates is a good start.
> The convergences are good, but not everyone goes to these (when did Bill
> last go to an Australian Convergence?)  
> I've gone and posted some questions on Geoff Lawton's asking about who
> knows about PIL, and who's a member and on the list serve, etc.
> http://forums.permaculture.org.au/ftopic5230.php 
>
> Fern
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> Original Message:
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> From: Ian Lillington livpermaculture at internode.on.net 
> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:29:21 +0950
> To: pil-pc-oceania at lists.permacultureinternational.org 
> Subject: Re: [Pil-pc-oceania] Permaculture People's politics
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>
> Hi Tamara
>
> thanks for stimulating this discussion.  
>
> you write:  There are some good discussions on the PRI forum
> about the PPP. Please see
> http://forums.permaculture.org.au/forum6.php&sid=d1dde81823102ac667ecf9bcad6 
> 1...
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> I wonder if it is better to start a new list on this issue,
> so that PRI and oceania subscribers are contributing to one
> discussion?  
>
> Ian Lillington
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