[Pil-pc-oceania] [Fwd: Re: PIL to Permaculture Australia? & lobbying]

[kerry dawborn]

oops - I forwarded the previous message as per below, on Fern's (Apollo 
Bay) behalf because she'd sent it to me but meant to send to the list - 
just so you know it's correct writer!

:-)

Kerry

> Although, I find it frustrating to lobby politicans, especially when the
> good ones get ousted, and the other ones do flip flops.  I feel it's much
> more logical to educate the populace so that they will vote for the party
> with permaculture ethics & principles (and doesn't do flip flops with
> them).  It's fine to say that those permies who are politically inclined
> can work within the existing main parties, but factional divisions play a
> major role in preselection and ticketing.  I wonder what faction the QLD
> ALP permie (that Robyn mentioned) is in... and if in no faction, then how
> long he'll be in that role before being ousted like Elaine.  There's alot
> of permies already working behind the scene, working in government
> positions both local, state and federal... sometimes they can influence and
> change things, sometimes they can't. 
>
> Fern
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: kerry dawborn kdawborn at bigpond.com
> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:54:10 +1000
> To: permaculture at apollobay.org.au,
> pil-pc-oceania at lists.permacultureinternational.org
> Subject: Re: [Pil-pc-oceania] PIL to Permaculture Australia? & lobbying
>
>
> It seems to make sense to me to focus on building membership of existing 
> Permaculture bodies, as Fern and Robyn suggest, to help us in becoming 
> more a more listened-to and effective lobby group - perhaps this would 
> be a good use of our resources and energy, since the infrastructure is 
> already in place. While we're doing this we could work on building 
> lobbying and public education skills within the movement...
>
> cheers,
>
> kerry
>
> permaculture at apollobay.org.au wrote:
>   
>> Hi Robyn, Tim and all
>>
>> Is it correct that international permies can join PIL, but they just can't
>> serve on the board if they're not a resident of Austtralia (due to ASIC
>> rules)?
>>
>> >From my survey on PRI's forum
>> http://forums.permaculture.org.au/ftopic5230.php
>> there's a couple of international permies who have just become aware of
>>     
> PIL
>   
>> and have indicated interest in joining.
>>
>> In my opinion, if PIL is promoted more it's membership will rise.
>>
>> Perhaps PIL can still have an international arm, but a national
>> "Permaculture Australia" body, like Permaculture UK has?  They seem to
>>     
> have
>   
>> a good working model there.
>>
>> I agree with Robyn that permaculture needs a higher public profile,
>> credibility and large membership base to be an effective lobby.
>>
>> I have managed to meet with John Thwaites (although briefly) and Elaine
>> Carbines (who was Environmental Secretary and MP for Geelong Province). 
>> She was great!  She really listened and even came on a field trip! 
>> Unfortunately at the last state election, her party (ALP) put her third on
>> the ticket, and she fell behind the Greens candidate (Marcus Ward), and
>> then all of her above the line (ALP) preferences went to the DLP, and the
>> DLP got in (on a 2% primary vote).
>> Persistence is needed when lobbying, I didn't just send one email or one
>> phone call... but if an organisation has a large membership base, then
>>     
> it's
>   
>> easier and you are listened to more by the pollies.  They (or their
>> assistants/advisors) always ask you about your membership base.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Fern
>> Otways & Coast Bioregion    
>>
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