[Pil-pc-oceania] Bills current thinking and the PPP

[Deb Guildner]

Perhaps a Permaculture TV series....haven't had one of those for a goodly 
while.
Sounds like there are quite a few people who may be able to facilitate 
one..?

Call the ABC, they would probably be really receptive.
Their gardening show is OK (quite like it really), but a series of just PC 
would be great, reach a bigger audience than person on person teaching does, 
and it could be sold on DVD after the show has screened.

Deb
"Bloom where you're planted".



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "timwinton" <timwinton at internode.on.net>
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Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Pil-pc-oceania] TAMARA:- Bills current thinking and the PPP


> Hi Tamara,
>
> Thanks for keeping us posted.
>
> I think a very good litmus test for how permaculture might go as the basis
> for a political party is to have a look at our track record in creating,
> building and maintaining organizations that excel at people care. The same
> should apply to anyone proposing a permaculture political party.
>
> None of the quoted material attributed to Bill below inspires any 
> confidence
> in me that the words can be translated into effective political action.
>
> In my experience, the political processes within the permaculture 
> community
> have very often been acrimonious or worse. Perhaps we should get our own
> house in order before we start showing other people how it is done.
>
> In my experience there has been too much promotion of untested and
> unworkable ideas in permaculture that have not served permaculture or
> sustainability or the planet well at all.
>
> As I have expressed before, I believe the intentions of everyone involved 
> in
> the ppp are good. But, respectfully, I do need to tell you in the 
> strongest
> terms that until we get our own house in order, at the very least, a
> permaculture political initiative, in my opinion, is a very bad idea.
>
> I think we will be far more effective leading by example rather than by
> words or poorly thought out political activities.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tim
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "tamara griffiths" <scarletwoman at hotmail.com>
> To: <pil-pc-oceania at lists.permacultureinternational.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 6:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Pil-pc-oceania] TAMARA:- Bills current thinking and the PPP
>
>
>> As requested, some paragraphs from Bill, the first installment.
>> Love Tamara
>>
>>
>> The Permaculture People's Party   (Papers and Proposals)
>> The Clarion Call.
>>
>> Preamble: Many of us, and all of us trained in good design for houses and
>> farms, feel disgusted with the present political systems, which seem to
>> prefer war to peace, and want or hunger to plenty. We feel we must act to
>> reverse this intellectual decay and consequent global deterioration.
>>
>> If we gather our friends, and students of good design, we vastly
>> out-number
>> the few who have joined "left right" parties. We can take control. We can
>> legislate to restore the earth, to save and generate forests, to secure
>> water and clean food supplies, and to live to assist all people to
>> survive,
>> not to war on them.
>>
>> All permaculture graduates know how to design life-enhancing houses and
>> farms. Many are involved in aid programmes, or consult with landowners 
>> and
>> builders. We have, in effect, many thousands of people-years of 
>> experience
>> in building sustainable systems. We have served our apprenticeship as
>> worthy
>> designers of living systems.
>>
>> Thus, we believe it is time to take charge of legislating for sustainable
>> living. Why should we, the majority, put up with the stupidities of the
>> Liberal/ Labour, Republican/ Democrat, Tory /Socialist dichotomies, whose
>> efforts are to defeat each other, not to assist all people?
>>
>> No, we must now vote them all out, and start the urgent repair of society
>> and the earth itself. Oil men, coal miners, and wood chippers can between
>> them destroy all of us, for greed. In this, they are assisted by "our
>> government". To tolerate this is madness. To tolerate the use of biocides
>> is
>> ridiculous, and to subsidise destructive industries is stupidity. We must
>> act for sanity and earth-care. Permaculture ethics require us to care for
>> the earth. The permaculture lifestyle requires us to help others to care
>> for
>> themselves. Our ethics and lifestyle are the very best training for
>> responsible government.
>>
>> By supporting public trusts, Holland has greatly reduced and in fact
>> largely
>> eliminated the 'public service' (read: public stumbling block) to a very
>> few
>> people, thus, we must see the real function of government not to invent
>> policies, but to discover existing policies that work well for problem
>> solutions.
>>
>> Most politicians arise from sportsmen, public broadcasters, film stars,
>> lawyers, and businessmen. None of these can be trusted to evolve sensible
>> policy; almost all of them operate on conviction based on personal
>> beliefs.
>> (no basis for sustainable society)
>>
>> No, policy must be based on well-researched, extant, working models, and
>> constantly refined by feedback from all levels of users or "consumers" of
>> that policy. For instance, Finland is noted for the excellence of early
>> education, Denmark for the volume of exports based on research, Sweden 
>> for
>> developing energy systems that eliminate radio active wastes, or the 
>> risks
>> of atomic energy. And so on.....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bangladesh has a wonderful system for lending to the poor, involving 
>> small
>> loans, support circles for repayments, and good advice. There are very 
>> few
>> 'bad loans'. We all need to adopt local cash management, credit unions,
>> mini
>> banks, economies of fair exchange of services and goods, not taxed
>> expenditure. We do not live to support public servants and bankers in
>> luxury, or politicians in great comfort, or C.E.Os in obscene wealth. No,
>> it
>> takes too much misery to keep a few manipulators too fat. We live to help
>> our families and neighbours live a sustainable existence. This is what
>> "policy" must be about.
>>
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