[Pil-pc-oceania] Relocalisation and Post Oil machines

[Dick Copeman]

G'day Russ et al

Organophosphates are still widely used in both agriculture and domestic pest
control.
Organochlorines were banned in the late 80s because they persist in the
environment and concentrate in breast milk and fatty tissue of species such
as us at the end of the food chain.
Organophosphates do break down so they do not persist in the environment
but, as Robyn says, their immediate effects can be quite toxic.

Dick

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Hi...

On 4/6/07 12:24 AM, "Robyn Williamson" <robinet at aapt.net.au> wrote:

> Delighted to hear that Helena believes in permaculture as one of the
solutions
but

I understand Helena does see the value of Permaculture, however in the past
she did link Permaculture and weeds in the same speech to, if I recall, an
American audience. She speaks well of the design system in her public
addresses.

> I guess it's a media fact after all that good news is no news.

In the sense of news as a commodity contained in newspapers, yes, partially.
There have been attempts to produce 'good news' papers but all have failed
because of poor sales. That said, newspapers do carry good news stories.
News is commonly defined as that which is outside the 'normal' for whatever
is being reported on and that is often - commonly - bad news. The good news
in bad news stories are tales of people triumphing over or fighting the bad
news. Hence, the adverserial is newsworthy because it is about confict.
Jungian afficianados will no doubt see the 'hero' archetype operating here.

'Yes' magazine, a glossy US publication, reports 'goos news' almost
exclusively.

> This week also I've just read a book that was published in 1962 when I
> was in high school.  Of course I have heard of it many times since I
> became interested in permaculture but hadn't made it a priority to
> track down a copy and it was finally put directly into my hands last
> week.  Silent Spring by Rachel Carson

FYI, readers, Silent Spring remains in print all these decades later.

> Two quick questions:  1) how many people were in the audience at the
> event you attended?  and 2) how many believed that modern agriculture
> is more efficient at producing food than other systems?

> The newer more deadly organo-phosphates

I think orgaanophosphates or some of them, at elast, wwere banned in NSW
some years ago. There would be residual amounts remaining in the
environment, of course.


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