[Pil-pc-oceania] Relocalisation and Post Oil machines

[pacific-edge]

Thanks for that Dick. Got my organo's mixed up.

...Russ


On 4/6/07 7:37 PM, "Dick Copeman" <dcopeman at powerup.com.au> wrote:

> G'day Russ et al
> 
> Organophosphates are still widely used in both agriculture and domestic pest
> control.
> Organochlorines were banned in the late 80s because they persist in the
> environment and concentrate in breast milk and fatty tissue of species such
> as us at the end of the food chain.
> Organophosphates do break down so they do not persist in the environment
> but, as Robyn says, their immediate effects can be quite toxic.
> 
> Dick
> 
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> 
> Hi...
> 
> On 4/6/07 12:24 AM, "Robyn Williamson" <robinet at aapt.net.au> wrote:
> 
>> Delighted to hear that Helena believes in permaculture as one of the
> solutions
> but
> 
> I understand Helena does see the value of Permaculture, however in the past
> she did link Permaculture and weeds in the same speech to, if I recall, an
> American audience. She speaks well of the design system in her public
> addresses.
> 
>> I guess it's a media fact after all that good news is no news.
> 
> In the sense of news as a commodity contained in newspapers, yes, partially.
> There have been attempts to produce 'good news' papers but all have failed
> because of poor sales. That said, newspapers do carry good news stories.
> News is commonly defined as that which is outside the 'normal' for whatever
> is being reported on and that is often - commonly - bad news. The good news
> in bad news stories are tales of people triumphing over or fighting the bad
> news. Hence, the adverserial is newsworthy because it is about confict.
> Jungian afficianados will no doubt see the 'hero' archetype operating here.
> 
> 'Yes' magazine, a glossy US publication, reports 'goos news' almost
> exclusively.
> 
>> This week also I've just read a book that was published in 1962 when I
>> was in high school.  Of course I have heard of it many times since I
>> became interested in permaculture but hadn't made it a priority to
>> track down a copy and it was finally put directly into my hands last
>> week.  Silent Spring by Rachel Carson
> 
> FYI, readers, Silent Spring remains in print all these decades later.
> 
>> Two quick questions:  1) how many people were in the audience at the
>> event you attended?  and 2) how many believed that modern agriculture
>> is more efficient at producing food than other systems?
> 
>> The newer more deadly organo-phosphates
> 
> I think orgaanophosphates or some of them, at elast, wwere banned in NSW
> some years ago. There would be residual amounts remaining in the
> environment, of course.
> 
> 
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