[Pil-pc-oceania] Pil-pc-oceania Digest, Vol 13, Issue 30

Wed Nov 21 12:43:56 EST 2007

G'day All, just supporting Ians last comments re heavy plant use at times
being the preferred option. It's the  old 'tripartite altruism'
thing............ an investment in the thing itself .. an investment of
energy into the maintenance of the thing and an investment of energy, to
ensure the longevity (sevurity) of the intial investment even if the new
investment is not altogether a 'sustainable' one in its own
right.....protects the 'system'. It's a measured response.
Kind regards, Pam

Pamela Gurner-Hall
Lecturer TAFESA and Uni of Adelaide
Sustainable Design Studio ( South)
Landscape Designer and Horticultural Consultant
P.O Box 1054
Aldinga Beach 5173
phone 0419 213 237

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   1. Re: "Australian" Permaculture Convergence? (ian lillington)
   2. swale building (ian lillington)

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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:54:04 +1100
From: "ian lillington" <ian at masg.org.au>
Subject: Re: [Pil-pc-oceania] "Australian" Permaculture Convergence?
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Hi Penny

Thanks for those points

In the past at APC events, we have had participants from many countries.  It
is great to
encourage this.  While airfares are still cheap, there are many many world
travelers,
and we will get some o/s permies here without even trying. If they have a
PDC we won't
turn them away.  Soon the price of oil may make this much less possible, so
let's
encourage a wide geographic invitation while it is practical and not spend
too much
energy on definitions.  PDC holders are fellow travelers anywhere in the
world.  

For example, I have encouraged UK people to come.  Many European permies
visit OZ anyway
and they might as well do it at easter next year.  In the UK, they are
facing many
similar issues around Resourcing a peak body, training accreditation, PDC
content etc.
I am sure this applies in other many places too.

BTW If you want a quick easy illustration of peak oil watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ulxe1ie-vEY

Ian 

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Subject: [Pil-pc-oceania] swale building
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Thanks Sue

Apologies if you rec'd this more than once, we will be changing a lot of our
IT stuff
later this week

Brief and to the point.  

In dry central Vic., if the tree is already established, I dig a shallow
dish by hand
around each individual tree.  That means that when I have one or two buckets
of water, I
can easily pour it into the dish and be sure that it infiltrates in the
right place .

At mid scale, I have seen swales laid out with old tyres and newspaper
bundles, or
stones, or brush from fallen trees; cut slightly into the ground (let's not
have the old
tyre debate here).  anything that stops the water moving too fast down hill
is worth
while

On a larger scale - yes, heavy plant is a marvelous thing when used in the
right way. 

since 1992, I have been teaching that it makes sense to save our oil for
jobs such as
this.  

David Holmgren is very skilled at detailed swale and dam design and makes
these links
with peak oil very well in his work

Ian (Lillington)

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Interested in both comments

Firstly that it is not hard to build a swale - and suggest it is hard,
without major
plant.  Which brings a second issue, what will we do when peak oil hits and
we cant use
heavy plant??

Then there is the issue, that I would prefer a person to make my swales to
have a PDC
and at least know the reason and process.  So don't suppose Mathew is in
Sydney - I need
some swales.  If Mathew isnt, then is there someone here???

How will I find out?

Sue Mossman

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