[Pil-pc-oceania] GM Biodiesel plant for Goulburn (Farm Online)

Wed Oct 10 22:37:31 EST 2007

In relation to your post, Wolfgang, what exactly is your point.
perhaps something is missed in translation?

One of the articles posted states:
a) "The improved energy efficiency in organic systems is largely due to lower (or zero) fertiliser and pesticide inputs, which account for half of the energy input in conventional potato and winter wheat production and up to 80 per cent of the energy consumed in some vegetable crops."

GM canola does not solve this problem, it only exacerbates it.

and also:
"In conventional upland livestock production, the largest energy input is again indirect in the form of concentrated and cereal feeds. When reared organically, a greater proportion of the feed for dairy cattle, beef and hill sheep is derived from grass. In the case of milk production, it has been found that organic systems are almost five times more energy efficient on a per animal basis and three and a half times more energy efficient in terms of unit output (the energy required to produce a litre of milk)."

Grazing animals is not the most efficient path to protein production per acre, and I tire of eating my fellow creatures.
I am not in a hunter gatherer economy.

As I am advocating organic solutions,  I find nothing elucidating in the article.
What I wrote is up to date as per for current accepted environmental best practise in sustainable land management.

GM is not the answer.
The answer is: if a crop cannot be grown in a sustainable way then find one which can.

And cut down on transport. Across the board.
What will we have next - a real life re-run of ppl deciding not to cut "standards" of living because the fuels are plant derived.
I am getting flashbacks to the Kath and Kim episode where Kath and Kel decided they could eat twice as much because they had switched to a low-fat diet.

Sleep well,

Deb

Cheers
Deb

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: admin at jerrapark.com 
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  Subject: Re: [Pil-pc-oceania] GM Biodiesel plant for Goulburn (Farm Online)

  A realy stupid discussion on a permi level.

  Please read that it might ne an eye opener:

  http://www.energybulletin.net/5045.html
  and
  http://www.energybulletin.net/34991.html

  Or keep dreaming of solutions on the level of growth.

  Care for the earth

  Wolfgang

  Deb Guildner wrote: 
Yes Harry,

Going by the scale of the industry proposed here, he probably doesn't care 
either.

Being on one of the busiest  (Syd-Melb) trucking highways in Australia, 
Goulburn is in a position to know what diesel fumes are all about. And also 
having a strategic fuel marketing edge.

In recent weeks there has been an explosion of biodiesel proposals put 
forward across Australia.  I am losing track of how many plant species are 
being touted as the next big crop to take over land near ....all over 
really!. (I've yet to hear of an endemic one yet).

Canola has been named as a potential source crop in earlier reports, so it 
may be in this one as well. it is grown in SE NSW. The big push for GM 
Canola is spearheading the demand for GM crops across southern Australia.

Insignificant in appearance but more versatile than vegemite, is the 
wretched Canola, or Canada Oil plant.  Going back to its roots, as rapeseed 
oil: lousy to eat, but great as a lubricant for industry.  Around and around 
it goes.  It would be a closed loop-de-loop if we could only get it out of 
our food chain.

Last but not least, the latest GM variety can be sprayed and sprayed with 
the wonder chemical glyphosate, and it wont die at all. GM HT (herbicide 
tolerant) Canola: what the world doesnt need now.  Coming to a place near 
you.

Not too late to write a reasoned letter to your local state and federal 
MP's.  I have also written to Get up! to ask them to pick up the GM issue 
and take it to their 200,000+ online subscribers to extend the campaign.  If 
anyone else wants to do so, it is a good time to forward the suggestion to 
Get up!.

Do anything, do everything, or we'll all "get #*!?*# up"!!

Cheer up!

Deb

PS:  There are also concerns that GM cottonseed oil could be in the food 
chain, so beware goods labelled as having ingredients simply stated as 
'vegetable oil'. I put them back on the shelves.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "harry wykman" <harrybw at iinet.net.au>
To: "permacultue discussion list" 
<pil-pc-oceania at lists.permacultureinternational.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Pil-pc-oceania] GM Biodiesel plant for Goulburn (Farm Online)

  Clearly he doesn't know the huge amount of damage that his
(non-waste-oil) biodiesel will do to Australian and Indonesian farmland.

Harry

Deb Guildner wrote:
    Breaking Rural News : AGRIBUSINESS AND GENERAL

Biodiesel plant for Goulburn
By LOUISE THROWER - Australia
Tuesday, 9 October 2007

Oil from genetically modified crops grown in Australia and Indonesia
will be used to develop a $5 million biodiesel factory in Goulburn, NSW.

Developer Paul Menere, City Industrial Group, also plans to establish
a training complex, educating people about the biodiesel industry.

The Sydney man, who is no stranger to Goulburn developments, says
environmental responsibility is fuelling his aim to establish four
factories throughout Australia, of which the local one will be the
centrepiece.

"I've been involved in the diesel industry for 30 to 40 years and I
know the huge amount of damage fumes can do to humans," Mr Menere said.

SOURCE: /Goulburn Post/

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