[Pil-pc-oceania] GM Biodiesel plant for Goulburn (Farm Online)

Thu Oct 11 09:05:07 EST 2007

I suggest the film "the future of food"

GM crops have several problems.

1. Monsanto owns the round up ready canola gene. Where this gene has 
"escaped" in the states,  the farmer where the gene is found is said to have 
stolen the gene and is sued. Not good.

2. Things like ebola and other viruses are used to break into the gene to 
splice in to - we have no idea of the long term effect of this.

3. An antibiotic marker is placed in the new gene - to show when it is 
turned on. GM crop plus antibiotic allergy = not good.

4. Biodiesel is not necessary in a world powered by trompes.

5. As a permie, I don't support massive monocultures - growing corn for 
biodiesel.

6. We don't need GM to feed the world. We grow enough food already, it is 
just not equally shared around. the answer in permaculture, not GM.

Talking about GM is not stupid. It's important.

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>From: "Deb Guildner" <bocor at bigbutton.com.au>
>Reply-To: permacultue discussion 
>list<pil-pc-oceania at lists.permacultureinternational.org>
>To: "permacultue discussion 
>list"<pil-pc-oceania at lists.permacultureinternational.org>,        
><admin at jerrapark.com>
>Subject: Re: [Pil-pc-oceania] GM Biodiesel plant for Goulburn (Farm Online)
>Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:07:31 +0930
>
>In relation to your post, Wolfgang, what exactly is your point.
>perhaps something is missed in translation?
>
>One of the articles posted states:
>a) "The improved energy efficiency in organic systems is largely due to 
>lower (or zero) fertiliser and pesticide inputs, which account for half of 
>the energy input in conventional potato and winter wheat production and up 
>to 80 per cent of the energy consumed in some vegetable crops."
>
>GM canola does not solve this problem, it only exacerbates it.
>
>and also:
>"In conventional upland livestock production, the largest energy input is 
>again indirect in the form of concentrated and cereal feeds. When reared 
>organically, a greater proportion of the feed for dairy cattle, beef and 
>hill sheep is derived from grass. In the case of milk production, it has 
>been found that organic systems are almost five times more energy efficient 
>on a per animal basis and three and a half times more energy efficient in 
>terms of unit output (the energy required to produce a litre of milk)."
>
>Grazing animals is not the most efficient path to protein production per 
>acre, and I tire of eating my fellow creatures.
>I am not in a hunter gatherer economy.
>
>As I am advocating organic solutions,  I find nothing elucidating in the 
>article.
>What I wrote is up to date as per for current accepted environmental best 
>practise in sustainable land management.
>
>GM is not the answer.
>The answer is: if a crop cannot be grown in a sustainable way then find one 
>which can.
>
>And cut down on transport. Across the board.
>What will we have next - a real life re-run of ppl deciding not to cut 
>"standards" of living because the fuels are plant derived.
>I am getting flashbacks to the Kath and Kim episode where Kath and Kel 
>decided they could eat twice as much because they had switched to a low-fat 
>diet.
>
>Sleep well,
>
>Deb
>
>Cheers
>Deb
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: admin at jerrapark.com
>   To: permacultue discussion list
>   Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:33 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Pil-pc-oceania] GM Biodiesel plant for Goulburn (Farm 
>Online)
>
>
>   A realy stupid discussion on a permi level.
>
>   Please read that it might ne an eye opener:
>
>   http://www.energybulletin.net/5045.html
>   and
>   http://www.energybulletin.net/34991.html
>
>   Or keep dreaming of solutions on the level of growth.
>
>   Care for the earth
>
>   Wolfgang
>
>
>
>   Deb Guildner wrote:
>Yes Harry,
>
>Going by the scale of the industry proposed here, he probably doesn't care
>either.
>
>Being on one of the busiest  (Syd-Melb) trucking highways in Australia,
>Goulburn is in a position to know what diesel fumes are all about. And also
>having a strategic fuel marketing edge.
>
>In recent weeks there has been an explosion of biodiesel proposals put
>forward across Australia.  I am losing track of how many plant species are
>being touted as the next big crop to take over land near ....all over
>really!. (I've yet to hear of an endemic one yet).
>
>Canola has been named as a potential source crop in earlier reports, so it
>may be in this one as well. it is grown in SE NSW. The big push for GM
>Canola is spearheading the demand for GM crops across southern Australia.
>
>Insignificant in appearance but more versatile than vegemite, is the
>wretched Canola, or Canada Oil plant.  Going back to its roots, as rapeseed
>oil: lousy to eat, but great as a lubricant for industry.  Around and 
>around
>it goes.  It would be a closed loop-de-loop if we could only get it out of
>our food chain.
>
>Last but not least, the latest GM variety can be sprayed and sprayed with
>the wonder chemical glyphosate, and it wont die at all. GM HT (herbicide
>tolerant) Canola: what the world doesnt need now.  Coming to a place near
>you.
>
>Not too late to write a reasoned letter to your local state and federal
>MP's.  I have also written to Get up! to ask them to pick up the GM issue
>and take it to their 200,000+ online subscribers to extend the campaign.  
>If
>anyone else wants to do so, it is a good time to forward the suggestion to
>Get up!.
>
>Do anything, do everything, or we'll all "get #*!?*# up"!!
>
>Cheer up!
>
>Deb
>
>PS:  There are also concerns that GM cottonseed oil could be in the food
>chain, so beware goods labelled as having ingredients simply stated as
>'vegetable oil'. I put them back on the shelves.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "harry wykman" <harrybw at iinet.net.au>
>To: "permacultue discussion list"
><pil-pc-oceania at lists.permacultureinternational.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:29 PM
>Subject: Re: [Pil-pc-oceania] GM Biodiesel plant for Goulburn (Farm Online)
>
>
>   Clearly he doesn't know the huge amount of damage that his
>(non-waste-oil) biodiesel will do to Australian and Indonesian farmland.
>
>Harry
>
>Deb Guildner wrote:
>     Breaking Rural News : AGRIBUSINESS AND GENERAL
>
>Biodiesel plant for Goulburn
>By LOUISE THROWER - Australia
>Tuesday, 9 October 2007
>
>Oil from genetically modified crops grown in Australia and Indonesia
>will be used to develop a $5 million biodiesel factory in Goulburn, NSW.
>
>Developer Paul Menere, City Industrial Group, also plans to establish
>a training complex, educating people about the biodiesel industry.
>
>The Sydney man, who is no stranger to Goulburn developments, says
>environmental responsibility is fuelling his aim to establish four
>factories throughout Australia, of which the local one will be the
>centrepiece.
>
>"I've been involved in the diesel industry for 30 to 40 years and I
>know the huge amount of damage fumes can do to humans," Mr Menere said.
>
>SOURCE: /Goulburn Post/
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