[Pil-pc-oceania] Bio-diesel trees from Brasil
Steve Hart
stevehart at raglan.co.nz
Wed Sep 12 17:56:12 EST 2007
I caught up with a number of people from different sectors after IPC8
including the Green Party MP for Curitiba...her engineer spoke to me
very positively about a plant that has undergone considerable
research in India specifically for Biodiesel....it is Jatropa
curcas....just do a search online and you come up with all the
data.....maybe the same plant
Steve Hart
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:42:39 +1000
> From: jedd <jedd at progsoc.org>
> Subject: Re: [Pil-pc-oceania] Russia's "Private Garden-plot Act" (July
> 2003)
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> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007, permiecaz at bigpond.com wrote:
>> Thank you for your comments on Linda's view of science not being
>> willing to
>> admit that organic food is better for us as I have tended to agree
>> with
>> her, from what I've read and from personal experience.
>
> My problem with Linda's statement is that she was asserting that
> something she claimed science said was wrong was right, when my
> understanding was that science wasn't saying it was wrong in the
> first place. Using this to demonstrate how we can 'know' some things
> despite what we're told is a bit disingenuous (towards science).
>
> Yes, we're always going to have idiots out there with their own
> agendas, and that's why we're blessed with the ability to think
> critically. Your scientist, for example (and without wanting to
> sound
> too patronising -- I think it's really sweet that Queensland has
> their
> own scientist now) was, as you describe, unable to support your
> claims because it wasn't the official Dep.Health's position, not
> necessarily because they personally didn't subscribe to that view.
>
> The official fed.gov position was, up until only a couple of years
> ago, and one they shared unsurprisingly with the USA, that there's
> no indication of global warming, and even if there was it's nothing
> to do with humans. Danged tootin'.
>
> I think we're all agreed that most government types are, if not
> wantonly dumb, then certainly moronic in their short-sightedness
> and insistence on presenting a common message. Staying on page.
> The herd instinct as often seen with herbivores. Et cetera.
>
> While we're lumbered, here in the beautiful land, with the
> questionable musings of John Kent [1] (a lecturer at Charles Sturt)
> that includes such gems as :
>
> "Modern pesticides are sophisticated compounds which are very
> carefully researched to ensure they are effective against target
> organisms, are safe to the environment and can be used without
> undue hazards to the operators or consumers ..."
>
> and
>
> "Farm chemicals are important because they enable us to
> produce sufficient high quality, wholesome food for a growing
> population ..."
>
> (Apart from being unsubstantiated and contraindicated by any number
> of papers from a large number of other researches from other
> institutions around the planet, the ambiguity of the word 'chemical'
> here, given he goes to great pains elsewhere to emphasise the fact
> that organic and inorganic chemicals are 'all just chemicals', with
> the implication that they're all equally safe / dangerous is a tad
> unfortunate.)
>
> He ends with this breathtaking claim:
>
> "In our free society there is a place for people to grow and
> consume organic food, but if all our farmers decided against
> using farm chemicals, we would soon find ourselves in a
> grave situation."
>
> A beautiful combination of FUD and condescension -- makes my
> Queensland jibe appear [even more] amateurish in comparison.
> I have so much to learn.
>
>
> And then on the other end we've got people like Catherine Badgley
> and Ivette Perfecto doing research [2] that concludes we can grow
> just as much food as we do now, if we all shifted to organic farming,
> possibly even more, possibly even with a reduction in the amount
> of land set aside for farming. Which is nice.
>
>
> I think science - or the nebulous construct that that word attempts
> to identify - has been pretty wary about the industrialisation of
> food for quite some time. I'd guess the dioxin revelations were one
> of the major turning points for a lot of people (including
> scientists)
> as it brought into focus so many facets -- political, chemical,
> biological, legislative, industry, corporation -- that we should
> be far more cautious giving our unbridled trust to.
>
> Certainly in my readings over the past decade or so there's been
> a heavy leaning towards organic being better (nutrition, soil,
> ethics, etc) than industrial farming. What may have been the case
> prior to that might be attributable to a misinterpretation of the
> science community's request for / observation of a lack of any
> substantive analysis done to back up these claims. Certainly the
> kind of large research work necessary to prove these claims have
> only really picked up in the last decade or two. Science, almost
> by definition, likes facts before it comments. The claim of any lack
> of facts in one direction may have been seen to be an advocacy
> of the other.
>
> cheers,
> Jedd.
>
>
> [1] http://www.regional.org.au/au/roc/1992/roc1992031.htm
> [2]
> http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayFulltext?
> type=1&fid=1195108&jid=RAF&volumeId=22&issueId=02&aid=1195100
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:59:33 +1000
> From: "Laurence Gaffney" <l.gaffney at bigpond.com>
> Subject: [Pil-pc-oceania] Desert Greening
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> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007, Laurence Gaffney wrote:
>> It is my understanding that most if not all of the earths deserts
>> are the
>> result of the activities of humans.
>
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 Jedd wrote:-
>> Notable exceptions include the largest one on the planet
>
> Well yes if you are referring to Antartica but if the Sahara I am
> not so sure.
>
> Laurence Gaffney
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> Subject: [Pil-pc-oceania] Sydney PDC Course
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> There are a few places left and one week left to enroll in this..
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> From: jedd <jedd at progsoc.org>
> Subject: [Pil-pc-oceania] Jim's revisited
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> Howdi,
>
> A friend told me today that they'd rung Jim's to get a quote on
> some garden work he wanted done. After some shuffling he got
> through the headoffice impedance system and finally spoke with
> the local franchisee.
>
> His understanding, from talking to this bloke, was that they (the
> franchisees) are up for $30 per call received from a potential
> customer in their area (regardless of whether any work ultimately
> results from the contact).
>
> Another $30 to initiate the quote process (ditto).
>
> There may be other fees they have to pay - he, and consequently I,
> do not know.
>
> What implications this may have for the uptake of permaculture work
> probably depends in large part on whether people try to utilise the
> hands and feet aspect over and above the design aspect, as I believe
> the latter implies a less attractive financial option (once off, less
> hours of work involved, etc).
>
> In the interests of sharing knowledge, yada yada.
>
> Jedd.
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:31:34 +1000 (EST)
> From: Martin Naylor <martinwnaylor at yahoo.com.au>
> Subject: [Pil-pc-oceania] intresting sites
> To: pil-pc-oceania at lists.permacultureinternational.org,
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> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:28:48 +0930
> From: "Deb Guildner" <bocor at bigbutton.com.au>
> Subject: [Pil-pc-oceania] (Bio)diesel tree plantings in north Qld
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> This has just come in today.
> The thing about biodiesel...is that vast tracts of land will now be
> used to grow plants purely to produce biodiesel.
> In this case it is a species from Brazil which obviously will be a
> lot harder to grow in the south (if it can be grown here at all).
>
> Forestry is an issue which will not be going away.
> Monocultures of five million trees is not a very desirable situation.
>
> This is something that we need to be involved in.
> As I said yesterday, Australia has no real history of sustainable
> forestry.
>
> The only good thing about north Qld is that at least it has
> something vital that we are lacking down here: water.
> I will enquire as to what this marvellous species is from Brazil,
> that has so many great attributes that we could not have used one
> of our own species instead.
>
> Cheers
> Deb
> ......................................................................
> ......
>
>
> Breaking Rural News : AGRIBUSINESS AND GENERAL
>
>
> Fill up your machine from a diesel tree
> By BRAD PFEFFER - Australia
> Tuesday, 11 September 2007
>
> Forestry companies have thrown their weight behind North
> Queensland's latest biofuel concept, diesel trees, and are expected
> to plant up to 1,000 hectares of saplings this spring.
> These tiny trees will enter the ground later this month,
> along the coastal strip north of Mackay.
>
> If all goes to plan, once the trees mature in about 15 years,
> they will be tapped in much the same way as is a rubber tree, with
> this oily sap carrying cetane levels powerful enough to fire a
> diesel engine.
>
> According to driver of the project and Mackay, Qld,
> nurseryman, Mike Jubow, private companies are proposing to plant
> about one million trees a year, for the next four to five years.
>
> In turn, Mr Jubow will transform his nursery to cope with
> demand and interest that far exceeded his expectations.
>
> "My whole nursery will be stripped to the ground and
> rebuilt," he said.
>
> "We'll need a minimum of 5,000 square metres of space to keep
> up, so will be leasing land from a neighbouring property to make
> sure I can do it all."
>
> While the idea of importing the seed from Brazil first began
> seven years ago, it was only last year that Mr Jubow began
> propagating and distributing trees to farms across the North.
>
> Since then, and despite unseasonable frosts damaging some of
> last year's plantings, Mr Jubow said interest in the exotic plant
> was still flooding in from across the country.
>
> "I've had to knock back three times as many people who call
> because they don't live in the right climate zone.
>
> "It's sad, because there are so many people who want to get
> into biofuel, but we can't supply the tree to them if they live
> somewhere where it will die of the cold weather."
>
> It has been estimated that a one hectare plantation would
> produce 10,000 to 12,000 litres per annum once in full production.
>
> SOURCE: Extract from report in Queensland Country Life,
> September 13.
>
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