[Pil-pc-oceania] Car Free City in the Desert
stevehart at maxnet.co.nz
stevehart at maxnet.co.nz
Tue Feb 12 11:37:09 EST 2008
This is a pretty amazing subject...I've been in Abu Dhabi since Jan 6th
working for one of the major global consultancies here that has big
in-roads on this project an others similar. Like a new capital city to
blow Canberra away, A new island of 10x2km for the sheiks palace...thats a
big garden...floor to floor heights of the palace Villa is 14m, then there
is four Majilis - meeting villas just for day visitors with similar
scales. 3000 staff....so there is some major contrasts...to say the least.
We have just completed the EIA for the Car Free City to be known as
Masdar and are now bidding to do the whole shooting match.
Its interesting in many ways. Yesterday I asked for the term
"Sustainability" to be defined from the client group....here it generally
means that if the light goes when ya switch it on then its sustainable.
The rhetoric is great spin...now they want us to build it...when ya live
in this desert its realy easy to see how the footprint is 700%.....these
guys want to bring it down below zero...should get them a copy of the
great Aussie movie "Castle".. if anyone would like more details let me
know. ..I'm trying to get down to APC9 so if I do I may have some more
news by then....I'll keep ya posted ...Steve Hart,
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> 4. Re: Zero carbon, zero waste, car-free city in the desert
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> 5. Re: thanks Robyn, Russ (ian lillington)
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> 7. Re: train from Melbourne to Sydney (Robyn Williamson)
> 8. Australian Permaculture Convergence APC9 (penny pyett)
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> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:25:15 +1100
> From: RussGrayson <info at pacific-edge.info>
> Subject: [Pil-pc-oceania] Urbanised dung beetles?
> To: pil <pil-pc-oceania at lists.permacultureinternational.org>
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> Forwarding this messge for Michael. Can anyone help?
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> Message...
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> Does anyone have detailed knowledge about the use of dung beetles in
> highly urbanised areas such as inner urban Sydney? Any gurus or great
> websites to consult?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Michael
>
> Michael Neville
> Waste Education Coordinator
> City of Sydney
> mneville at cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au
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> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:10:20 +0900 (WST)
> From: petra.kahle at haztech.com.au
> Subject: [Pil-pc-oceania] train from Melbourne to Sydney
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> I am considering to use day trains to Sydney and back for APC9
>
> going countrylink on Wednesday the 19th and coming back on Wednesday the
> 26th.
>
>
> Rather than going thru the bureaucratic nightmare of booking a train
> together I suggest to just book in ourselves and wear a badge saying
> "Australian Permaculture convergence9"
>
> what does any other apc9 train traveller from Vic think?
>
> cheers, Petra.
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:07:14 +1100
> From: Robyn Williamson <ecogarden at yahoo.com.au>
> Subject: [Pil-pc-oceania] Zero carbon, zero waste, car-free city in
> the desert
> To: PIL PcOceaniaNetwork
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> BBC news reports on a multi-billion dollar initiative of the city of
> Abu Dhabi, in partnership with the WWF, to build a green city for
> 50,000 people and 1,500 businesses within 8 years:
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7237672.stm
>
> CONTACT DETAILS:
>
> Robyn Williamson
> APC9 Secretariat
> info at apc9.org.au
> Ph/Fx: (02) 9629 3560
> Mobile: 0409 151 435
> http://apc9.org.au
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> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:01:46 +1100
> From: RussGrayson <info at pacific-edge.info>
> Subject: Re: [Pil-pc-oceania] Zero carbon, zero waste, car-free city
> in the desert
> To: pil <pil-pc-oceania at lists.permacultureinternational.org>
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> And, in adition to Robyn's pointer below, on the BBC...
>
>
> Fuel-cell cars to get test drive
> Chevrolet Equinox SUV (General Motors)
> The general public can sign up for a test drive online
> A leading car manufacturer is to give drivers the chance to try out
> hydrogen-powered vehicles.
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7025738.stm
>
> VIEWPOINT
> Keith Guy
> Sooner or later the world is going to have to make the switch away from
> fossil fuels, says Keith Guy. In this week's Green Room, he explains what
> needs to be done to make the vision of a global hydrogen economy a
> reality.
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7237672.stm
>
>
> Flying clouds the real climate culprit
> Martin Wright
> The aviation industry has become public enemy number one for environmental
> groups, says Martin Wright. But, he argues in this week's Green Room, they
> should focus their efforts on "the real elephant in the room" - forest
> destruction.
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7201114.stm
>
> Hydrogen first makes renewables last
> Yorkshire technopark pioneers green hydrogen as energy store
> A business park in south Yorkshire should see the UK?s first commercial
> hydrogen mini-grid in operation by the end of the year.
> http://www.forumforthefuture.org.uk/greenfutures/
>
>
>
> On 11/2/08 9:07 PM, "Robyn Williamson" <ecogarden at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> BBC news reports on a multi-billion dollar initiative of the city of
>> Abu Dhabi, in partnership with the WWF, to build a green city for
>> 50,000 people and 1,500 businesses within 8 years:
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7237672.stm
>>
>> CONTACT DETAILS:
>>
>> Robyn Williamson
>> APC9 Secretariat
>> info at apc9.org.au
>> Ph/Fx: (02) 9629 3560
>> Mobile: 0409 151 435
>> http://apc9.org.au
>>
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:53:38 +1100
> From: "ian lillington" <ian at masg.org.au>
> Subject: Re: [Pil-pc-oceania] thanks Robyn, Russ
> To: "'permacultue discussion list'"
> <pil-pc-oceania at lists.permacultureinternational.org>
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> These techno-solutions are probably not what we need but I enjoy browsing
> them
> Some of them reappear at http://masg.org.au
> Ian Lillington
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pil-pc-oceania-bounces at lists.permacultureinternational.org
> [mailto:pil-pc-oceania-bounces at lists.permacultureinternational.org] On
> Behalf Of
> RussGrayson
> Sent: Monday, 11 February 2008 10:02 PM
> To: pil
> Subject: Re: [Pil-pc-oceania] Zero carbon, zero waste, car-free city in
> the desert
>
> And, in adition to Robyn's pointer below, on the BBC...
>
>
> Fuel-cell cars to get test drive
> Chevrolet Equinox SUV (General Motors)
> The general public can sign up for a test drive online
> A leading car manufacturer is to give drivers the chance to try out
> hydrogen-powered vehicles.
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7025738.stm
>
> VIEWPOINT
> Keith Guy
> Sooner or later the world is going to have to make the switch away from
> fossil fuels, says Keith Guy. In this week's Green Room, he explains what
> needs to be done to make the vision of a global hydrogen economy a
> reality.
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7237672.stm
>
>
> Flying clouds the real climate culprit
> Martin Wright
> The aviation industry has become public enemy number one for environmental
> groups, says Martin Wright. But, he argues in this week's Green Room, they
> should focus their efforts on "the real elephant in the room" - forest
> destruction.
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7201114.stm
>
> Hydrogen first makes renewables last
> Yorkshire technopark pioneers green hydrogen as energy store
> A business park in south Yorkshire should see the UK?s first commercial
> hydrogen mini-grid in operation by the end of the year.
> http://www.forumforthefuture.org.uk/greenfutures/
>
>
>
> On 11/2/08 9:07 PM, "Robyn Williamson" <ecogarden at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> BBC news reports on a multi-billion dollar initiative of the city of
>> Abu Dhabi, in partnership with the WWF, to build a green city for
>> 50,000 people and 1,500 businesses within 8 years:
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7237672.stm
>>
>> CONTACT DETAILS:
>>
>> Robyn Williamson
>> APC9 Secretariat
>> info at apc9.org.au
>> Ph/Fx: (02) 9629 3560
>> Mobile: 0409 151 435
>> http://apc9.org.au
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 06:50:38 +1100
> From: Robyn Williamson <ecogarden at yahoo.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [Pil-pc-oceania] thanks Robyn, Russ was zero carbon, zero
> waste, car-free city in the desert
> To: permacultue discussion list
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> Right on Ian, zero carbon is a furphy for starters, although I'm not
> sure what the closing statement in the "green city" article means:
>
> "We will monetise all carbon emission reductions... Such innovative
> financing has never been applied to the scale of an entire
> city." ... Masdar City CEO, Sultan al-Jaber
> Sounds to me like the same old myth that simply turns carbon into a
> kind of invisible commodity for trading and doesn't sequester one
> single molecule of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere in the
> process. In fact it probably achieves the opposite by providing
> billion dollar opportunities for technocrats and economic
> rationalists to spin their magic solutions (not) therby giving them a
> licence to continue with grossly over-consumptive lifestyles.
>
> Robyn
>
> On 11/02/2008, at 10:53 PM, ian lillington wrote:
>
>> These techno-solutions are probably not what we need but I enjoy
>> browsing them
>> Some of them reappear at http://masg.org.au
>> Ian Lillington
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pil-pc-oceania-bounces at lists.permacultureinternational.org
>> [mailto:pil-pc-oceania-bounces at lists.permacultureinternational.org]
>> On Behalf Of
>> RussGrayson
>> Sent: Monday, 11 February 2008 10:02 PM
>> To: pil
>> Subject: Re: [Pil-pc-oceania] Zero carbon, zero waste, car-free
>> city in the desert
>>
>> And, in adition to Robyn's pointer below, on the BBC...
>>
>>
>> Fuel-cell cars to get test drive
>> Chevrolet Equinox SUV (General Motors)
>> The general public can sign up for a test drive online
>> A leading car manufacturer is to give drivers the chance to try out
>> hydrogen-powered vehicles.
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7025738.stm
>>
>> VIEWPOINT
>> Keith Guy
>> Sooner or later the world is going to have to make the switch away
>> from
>> fossil fuels, says Keith Guy. In this week's Green Room, he
>> explains what
>> needs to be done to make the vision of a global hydrogen economy a
>> reality.
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7237672.stm
>>
>>
>> Flying clouds the real climate culprit
>> Martin Wright
>> The aviation industry has become public enemy number one for
>> environmental
>> groups, says Martin Wright. But, he argues in this week's Green
>> Room, they
>> should focus their efforts on "the real elephant in the room" - forest
>> destruction.
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7201114.stm
>>
>> Hydrogen first makes renewables last
>> Yorkshire technopark pioneers green hydrogen as energy store
>> A business park in south Yorkshire should see the UK?s first
>> commercial
>> hydrogen mini-grid in operation by the end of the year.
>> http://www.forumforthefuture.org.uk/greenfutures/
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/2/08 9:07 PM, "Robyn Williamson" <ecogarden at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> BBC news reports on a multi-billion dollar initiative of the city of
>>> Abu Dhabi, in partnership with the WWF, to build a green city for
>>> 50,000 people and 1,500 businesses within 8 years:
>>>
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7237672.stm
>>>
>>> CONTACT DETAILS:
>>>
>>> Robyn Williamson
>>> APC9 Secretariat
>>> info at apc9.org.au
>>> Ph/Fx: (02) 9629 3560
>>> Mobile: 0409 151 435
>>> http://apc9.org.au
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 07:35:46 +1100
> From: Robyn Williamson <ecogarden at yahoo.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [Pil-pc-oceania] train from Melbourne to Sydney
> To: permacultue discussion list
> <pil-pc-oceania at lists.permacultureinternational.org>
> Cc: TransportTroika at jasper.cmsarchitects.com
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> Hi Petra
>
> I can only wish I were an apc9 train traveller from Vic but I think
> this is an excellent idea to link up during the trip and would be
> great fun too. There are a few delegates coming over from Tas who
> may also be interested and I will let them know. Is it convenient
> for them to get on a train at Melbourne airport?
>
> When you arrive at Central Station in Sydney, get on a train to
> either Turramurra or Hornsby stations where shuttle buses to the apc9
> site will be departing every hour.
>
> Only 36 more sleeps to go, can't wait!
>
> Robyn
>
> CONTACT DETAILS:
>
> Robyn Williamson
> APC9 Secretariat
> info at apc9.org.au
> Ph/Fx: (02) 9629 3560
> Mobile: 0409 151 435
> http://apc9.org.au
>
> On 11/02/2008, at 6:10 PM, petra.kahle at haztech.com.au wrote:
>
>> I am considering to use day trains to Sydney and back for APC9
>> going countrylink on Wednesday the 19th and coming back on
>> Wednesday the
>> 26th.
>>
>>
>> Rather than going thru the bureaucratic nightmare of booking a train
>> together I suggest to just book in ourselves and wear a badge saying
>> "Australian Permaculture convergence9"
>>
>> what does any other apc9 train traveller from Vic think?
>>
>> cheers, Petra.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:13:41 +1100
> From: penny pyett <pennypyett at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [Pil-pc-oceania] Australian Permaculture Convergence APC9
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> Urgent final reminder to get your APC9 registration forms in by this
> Friday 15th for the early bird discount rate. Please revisit the updated
> website and program for more information. http://apc9.org.au.
>
> Don't miss this special historic event celebrating the 30th anniversary of
> permaculture where we will converge to discuss "Yesterday's Achievements,
> Today's Challenges and Tomorrow's Aspirations" This is going to be BIG!!!
> AND ONLY 36 DAYS TO GO!!!!!!
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> Sponsorship nominations for permaculturists working with aboriginal
> communities also close Friday 15th. For more details download apc9
> registration form from front home page on apc9 website.
> http://apc9.org.au
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> Please also contact APC9 Secretariat with any inquiries Robyn Williamson
> APC9 info at apc9.org.au
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