[Pil-pc-oceania] Permaculture of the Arabian Desert
Nick Ritar
nick at milkwood.net
Fri Feb 29 16:19:58 EST 2008
I'd have to recommend Geoff & Nadia Lawton, not only are they highly
experienced in the desert environment they have had quite a bit of direct
experience in the middle east, especially in Jordan. They are also Muslim
and Nadia speaks fluent arabic.
Here is a link to a project they did some time back
http://www.milkwoodpermaculture.com.au/greening-the-desert.html
They run the Permaculture Research Institue in Northern NSW their website is
http://permaculture.org.au
Phone: 61 (0)2-66886578, mobile 61 (0) 427862902
email: geoff at permaculture.org.au or nadia at permaculture.org.au
They are very busy people and can be a little hard to get hold of at
times... persistence will be rewarded.
Cheers
Nick
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 4:58 PM, <stevehart at maxnet.co.nz> wrote:
> Permaculture of the Arabian Desert....I had a good meeting with the
> Ministry of Environment Water and Agriculture on tuesday 27th I would like
> to consider the opportunity to offer a full Permaculture Design course
> here in United Arab emirates. Is there any teachers with specific and
> highly skilled experience in such desert environs that I can call on
> ....Steve Hart
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> > 1. Palestine Permaculture Workshop March 28 ? April 4
> > (Wesley Roe and Santa Barbara Permaculture Network)
> > 2. GM protest this Thursday Melbourne 12pm parliament steps!
> > Don't lift the ban! (Kerry Dawborn)
> > 3. Re: Tribute to my dad (Kerry Dawborn)
> > 4. Re: Tribute to my dad (Kerry Dawborn)
> >
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:37:08 -0800
> > From: Wesley Roe and Santa Barbara Permaculture Network
> > <lakinroe at silcom.com>
> > Subject: [Pil-pc-oceania] Palestine Permaculture Workshop March 28 ?
> > April 4
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> > Palestine Permaculture Workshop Announcement
> >
> > March 28 ? April 4
> > Marda Village Salfit District, West Bank, Palestine
> >
> > Join internationally acclaimed Permaculture
> > instructors Starhawk, Jan Martin Bang and Murad
> > Alkhufash in Marda Village in the West Bank of
> > Palestine for an 8-day Permaculture Fundamentals
> > Course. Work side-by-side with Palestinian farmers as
> > you learn?and apply?permaculture design principles and
> > techniques that can be translated to multiple
> > environments.
> >
> > The focus of this workshop?due to extensive loss of
> > communal Palestinian farming land and water to Israeli
> > settlements?is intensive farming on small acreages.
> > Topics addressed will include orchard and garden
> > design, natural building with cob and stone,
> > traditional Palestinian terrace construction,
> > rainwater harvesting and graywater recycling, swales
> > and keylines, vermiculture, composting, cover crops,
> > bioremediation with mushroom mycelium, chicken
> > tractors, and more. Participants can expect to learn
> > through hands on projects including planting of an
> > orchard and construction of a chicken coop using local
> > soils, stone, and straw.
> >
> > The Marda Permaculture Farm is located within Marda
> > village, in the West Bank of Palestine. Marda has a
> > population of 2,600, and lies under the shadow of the
> > Separation Wall and one of Israel?s largest
> > settlements, Ariel. Learn about the on-the-ground
> > reality in Palestine?from the people themselves,
> > rather than all those who would speak for them.
> >
> > Instructors
> >
> > Starhawk is one of the most respected voices in
> > earth-based spirituality. She is the author or
> > coauthor of ten books, including the classics The
> > Spiral Dance and The Fifth Sacred Thing. Her latest
> > is Earth Path: Grounding Your Spirit in the Rhythms of
> > Nature. Starhawk is a veteran of progressive
> > movements, and deeply committed to bringing the
> > techniques and creative power of spirituality to
> > political activism. She travels internationally
> > teaching magic, the tools of ritual, and the skills of
> > activism. Her web site is www.starhawk.org.
> >
> > Jan Martin Bang is a qualified Permaculture Designer
> > and teacher with extensive experience in the Middle
> > East, now a co-worker at Camphill Solborg in Norway.
> > He was secretary of the Norwegian Permaculture
> > Association, and has been active within the Norwegian
> > Ecovillage Trust. He is currently on sabbatical leave
> > for a year with his wife, Ruth Wilson.
> >
> > He has written two books on Permaculture Ecovillage
> > Design: ?Ecovillages: a practical guide to sustainable
> > communities? and ?Growing Eco Communities: practical
> > ways to create sustainability.?
> >
> > Murad Alkhufash comes from a family who has farmed the
> > Marda region for at least ten generations. His passion
> > is in restoring the connection between his community
> > and the land. The people of Marda, as in most West
> > Bank villages, have been losing their ties to
> > traditional farming methods due to loss of land,
> > stress of the occupation as well as pressure to
> > transition to synthetic fertilizers and pesticides.
> > Murad received his permaculture training and
> > certification at the Ecovillage Training Center at The
> > Farm in Tennessee and acted as an instructor at this
> > Center for four years prior to returning to Marda
> > Village to establish the Marda Permaculture Farm.
> >
> > Cost to attend the Marda Permaculture Fundamentals
> > Course is $500, which covers food, lodging, and
> > coursework.
> >
> > For more details, and to apply, please contact:
> >
> > Tami Brunk
> > Marda Farm International Coordinator
> > <mailto:tamibrunk%40yahoo.com>tamibrunk at yahoo.com
> > (505) 243-3080
> >
> > If you want to build a ship don't herd people together to collect wood
> > and don't assign them tasks and work, but rather
> > teach them to long for the endless immensity of the sea.
> > -Antoine-Marie-Roger de Saint-Exupery
> >
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:13:13 +1100
> > From: Kerry Dawborn <kj.dawborn at bigpond.com>
> > Subject: [Pil-pc-oceania] GM protest this Thursday Melbourne 12pm
> > parliament steps! Don't lift the ban!
> > To: acox at optusnet.com.au, adam at myspinach.org, Aidan Quick
> > <aidanquick at hotmail.com>, Ali Broome
> > <bluetongueorganics at yahoo.com.au>, amanda pippos
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> > Amy Glastonbury & Luc Rolland <lucamy at mooramoora.org.au>,
> Andrea Cook
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> > <tenderbreak at bigpond.com>, Andrew Cox <
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> > Andrew Djurovich <adjurovi at bigpond.net.au>, Andrew Leahy
> > <alfski at gmail.com>, Anne Boyd <earthsong at pacific.net.au>,
> Anurag
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> Benton
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> > brooke & stephen powell <brook.powell at gmail.com>, brookman
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> Campbell
> > Emma <E.Campbell at yarraranges.vic.gov.au>, carey priest
> > <careypriest at yahoo.com.au>, Caroline Smith
> > <C.Smith at patrick.acu.edu.au>, cerian jones <cerian at bigpond.com>,
> > charlie at envict.org.au, Charlie Davie <charlie.davie at envict.org.au
> >,
> > Chris Braden <christinebraden at bordernet.com.au>, christine
> ross
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> > <maddakini at yahoo.com>, dan Palmer <darnample at gmail.com>,
> deborah
> > guess <debguess at iprimus.com.au>, dougal robb
> > <janetanddougal at aapt.net.au>, Dr Bob Rich <
> bobrich at bobswriting.com>,
> > "g.rhys maddern-wellington" <grmw at melbpc.org.au>, Geoff
> Browne
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> icornthwaite at hotmail.com>,
> > Ian Lillington <livpermaculture at internode.on.net>, Ian Sims
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> rni77753 at bigpond.net.au>,
> > James Bristow <bristow_james at yahoo.com.au>, Jane Scott
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> l.gaffney at bigpond.com>,
> > Lisa <lisajobson at optusnet.com.au>, Lyn Cunningham
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> "Martha
> > R. Hills" <mrhills at melbpc.org.au>, mhwarman at optusnet.com.au,
> Michael
> > di Oliveira <christymarley at hotkey.net.au>, Miriam Solomon
> > <miriams at coombs.anu.edu.au>, Naomi Coleman
> > <coleman.naomi.r at edumail.vic.gov.au>, Pam Morgan
> > <pamorgan at netspace.net.au>, Pete the Permie <
> telopeamtn at bigpond.com>,
> > Peter Dawborn <Peter.Dawborn at tafe.tas.edu.au>, Richard Bolus
> > <richard.bolus at greencanary.com>, Robert Dawborn
> > <willunga.dawborn at bigpond.com>, Robert Nieuwenhuis
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> > <stupooh72 at yahoo.co.au>, Sue Van Graas <
> saargnav at netspace.net.au>,
> > vanessa wighton <di_vaness at yahoo.com.au>, viarnne mischon
> > <info at wonderfulworldmedia.net>, Virginia Solomon
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> oceania list
> > latest <pil-pc-oceania at lists.permacultureinternational.org>
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> >
> > Hi Friends,
> >
> > If you live in or near melbourne, or have friends or family who do and
> > are concerned about GM crops and don't want the ban in Victoria to be
> > lifted this friday Feb 29th, come along to the GM-Free Rally at 12pm
> > this Thursday on the Parliament House steps in Melbourne.
> >
> > For more information go to:
> >
> > http://geneethics.org/calendar/display/20080228
> >
> > I'll be there - come along and make your views known loudly and clearly!
> > Oh, and don't forget to forward this info to friends and family!
> >
> > See you there!
> >
> > Kerry Dawborn
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:09:01 +1100
> > From: Kerry Dawborn <kj.dawborn at bigpond.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Pil-pc-oceania] Tribute to my dad
> > To: permacultue discussion list
> > <pil-pc-oceania at lists.permacultureinternational.org>
> > Message-ID: <47C552DD.9040209 at bigpond.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > Wow Fern - thanks for sharing that... Sounds like your dad was an
> > interesting, thoughtful man. Your eulogy has brought tears to my eyes...
> >
> > Kerry Dawborn
> >
> > Fern Rainbow wrote:
> >> My dad's service, a celebration of his life will be held at the
> >> Warrnambool
> >> Special Developmental School hall this Thursday, February 28th at 5pm.
> >> I'd like to thank the many permies on this listserv who have emailed me
> >> their support & help during the last few weeks. As none of you know
> >> dad,
> >> I'd like to post some info and photos of my dad.
> >> Firstly, this is my contribution and what I'll be reading out, near the
> >> end
> >> of his service. I'll post the full service and photos in the coming
> >> weeks.
> >>
> >>
> >> Tribute to my dad ? Peter Thomas Ockerby
> >>
> >> Dad was an environmentalist, scientist and teacher.
> >> He was part of a research team at the University of Toronto in the
> early
> >> 1960?s looking into the declining aquatic life in the Great Lakes.
> They
> >> were studying the water currents. When their research pointed to
> >> pollution
> >> due to the heated waste-water being pumped from the nearby Nuclear
> power
> >> plant, all their research and funding disappeared.
> >>
> >> Dad then obtained his teaching qualifications and started teaching
> >> science
> >> in Canada. Deeply concerned about environmental issues, he tried to
> >> teach
> >> what was then called ?the hot-house effect? but was reprimanded for
> >> teaching
> >> this theory. [He was also not allowed to teach Hubbard's peak oil
> >> theory, a
> >> well known but controversial scientific paper in the 1960?s]
> >>
> >> After his mother died, Dad moved back to Australia and started teaching
> >> at
> >> Melbourne Boys High (the school that he was educated at). Dad was a
> >> very
> >> patient and well-liked teacher. He liked teaching at nice small
> >> secondary
> >> schools in rural areas and stayed teaching full time until his
> >> retirement at
> >> 60 years of age.
> >>
> >> In 1969 he met then married my mum the year after. They were both avid
> >> organic gardeners and shared their love of nature and care of the
> >> environment. Really they were permaculturists before the word
> >> ?Permaculture? existed, and we always had a menagerie of animals that
> >> helped
> >> our edible jungle-like garden grow and vice-versa.
> >> >From the early 70?s, they started to look for land to share nature
> with
> >> like-minded people and to bring up their children with a free and
> >> healthy
> >> lifestyle. In 1974 they were part of the formation of
> >> ?Irun-ilam-baluk?, a
> >> land co-operative in the Strathbogie ranges based on Peter Cook?s
> design
> >> of
> >> Moora Moora co-operative. There they started building their
> >> self-sufficient
> >> home out in the bush. They were full of ideals, hopes and dreams.
> >> But working on the co-operative, building their home and living out of
> a
> >> caravan with five children in a harsh environment created strains
> within
> >> my
> >> parent?s relationship. Their break up started in 1975 and ended with a
> >> divorce in 1982. Although they spent my childhood apart, I have fond
> >> memories of visiting dad; going yabbying, visiting the butterfly house
> >> at
> >> Melbourne zoo and dad reading ?The hobbit? to me when I was sick and in
> >> bed.
> >>
> >> My parents got back together again when I was 15 and had Davin, my
> >> younger
> >> brother who is autistic. For the past 15 years while my parents have
> >> dedicated their lives to looking after Davin, they have maintained an
> >> edible
> >> garden and implemented energy efficient designs and systems within
> their
> >> urban home. In the past two years, since moving to a smaller home they
> >> have
> >> been retrofitting it; putting on solar panels, tiling the floor to
> >> create a
> >> heat bank, putting in a water tank, edible garden and fruit trees, with
> >> plans for a greywater system and chook house.
> >>
> >> Dad always said to just put him in the compost when he died and mum &
> >> dad
> >> hadn?t discussed anything else. But dad had seen the 100% recycled
> >> cardboard eco-coffins in Choice magazine last year and had thought it
> to
> >> be
> >> such a good idea. Dad would?ve wanted his departure to be as low as
> >> impact
> >> upon the earth as possible.
> >>
> >> He wanted a safe and secure future for his children and for earth?s
> >> biodiversity. He wanted the Victorian state government to extend the
> >> ban on
> >> GM crops and for all GM ingredients to be labelled on our food. He
> >> wanted
> >> Australia to be GM-free.
> >> On this final day before the GM moratorium is set to be lifted in
> >> Victoria,
> >> we hope that somehow dad?s wishes will be granted and that premier John
> >> Brumby will rethink the state governments decision to lift the ban.
> >>
> >> My parent?s love of nature and care of the environment has been
> imparted
> >> to
> >> me, not only by my nature name ?Fern Rainbow?, that they gave to me,
> but
> >> also imprinted in my knowledge, ethics and lifestyle and for this I am
> >> eternally grateful. Thank you dad. You are in my heart and forever
> >> will
> >> be.
> >>
> >>
> >> Music-----Big Yellow Taxi,
> >> Both sides now, ------Joni Mitchell
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:27:52 +1100
> > From: Kerry Dawborn <kj.dawborn at bigpond.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Pil-pc-oceania] Tribute to my dad
> > To: oceania list latest
> > <pil-pc-oceania at lists.permacultureinternational.org>
> > Message-ID: <47C55748.8010000 at bigpond.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > Wow Fern - thanks for sharing that... Sounds like your dad was a really
> > interesting, thoughtful man. Clearly his positive influence on you has
> > been extremely strong... Your eulogy has brought tears to my eyes...
> >
> > Kerry Dawborn
> >
> >
> > Fern Rainbow wrote:
> >> My dad's service, a celebration of his life will be held at the
> >> Warrnambool
> >> Special Developmental School hall this Thursday, February 28th at 5pm.
> >> I'd like to thank the many permies on this listserv who have emailed me
> >> their support & help during the last few weeks. As none of you know
> >> dad,
> >> I'd like to post some info and photos of my dad.
> >> Firstly, this is my contribution and what I'll be reading out, near the
> >> end
> >> of his service. I'll post the full service and photos in the coming
> >> weeks.
> >>
> >>
> >> Tribute to my dad ? Peter Thomas Ockerby
> >>
> >> Dad was an environmentalist, scientist and teacher.
> >> He was part of a research team at the University of Toronto in the
> early
> >> 1960?s looking into the declining aquatic life in the Great Lakes.
> They
> >> were studying the water currents. When their research pointed to
> >> pollution
> >> due to the heated waste-water being pumped from the nearby Nuclear
> power
> >> plant, all their research and funding disappeared.
> >>
> >> Dad then obtained his teaching qualifications and started teaching
> >> science
> >> in Canada. Deeply concerned about environmental issues, he tried to
> >> teach
> >> what was then called ?the hot-house effect? but was reprimanded for
> >> teaching
> >> this theory. [He was also not allowed to teach Hubbard's peak oil
> >> theory, a
> >> well known but controversial scientific paper in the 1960?s]
> >>
> >> After his mother died, Dad moved back to Australia and started teaching
> >> at
> >> Melbourne Boys High (the school that he was educated at). Dad was a
> >> very
> >> patient and well-liked teacher. He liked teaching at nice small
> >> secondary
> >> schools in rural areas and stayed teaching full time until his
> >> retirement at
> >> 60 years of age.
> >>
> >> In 1969 he met then married my mum the year after. They were both avid
> >> organic gardeners and shared their love of nature and care of the
> >> environment. Really they were permaculturists before the word
> >> ?Permaculture? existed, and we always had a menagerie of animals that
> >> helped
> >> our edible jungle-like garden grow and vice-versa.
> >> >From the early 70?s, they started to look for land to share nature
> with
> >> like-minded people and to bring up their children with a free and
> >> healthy
> >> lifestyle. In 1974 they were part of the formation of
> >> ?Irun-ilam-baluk?, a
> >> land co-operative in the Strathbogie ranges based on Peter Cook?s
> design
> >> of
> >> Moora Moora co-operative. There they started building their
> >> self-sufficient
> >> home out in the bush. They were full of ideals, hopes and dreams.
> >> But working on the co-operative, building their home and living out of
> a
> >> caravan with five children in a harsh environment created strains
> within
> >> my
> >> parent?s relationship. Their break up started in 1975 and ended with a
> >> divorce in 1982. Although they spent my childhood apart, I have fond
> >> memories of visiting dad; going yabbying, visiting the butterfly house
> >> at
> >> Melbourne zoo and dad reading ?The hobbit? to me when I was sick and in
> >> bed.
> >>
> >> My parents got back together again when I was 15 and had Davin, my
> >> younger
> >> brother who is autistic. For the past 15 years while my parents have
> >> dedicated their lives to looking after Davin, they have maintained an
> >> edible
> >> garden and implemented energy efficient designs and systems within
> their
> >> urban home. In the past two years, since moving to a smaller home they
> >> have
> >> been retrofitting it; putting on solar panels, tiling the floor to
> >> create a
> >> heat bank, putting in a water tank, edible garden and fruit trees, with
> >> plans for a greywater system and chook house.
> >>
> >> Dad always said to just put him in the compost when he died and mum &
> >> dad
> >> hadn?t discussed anything else. But dad had seen the 100% recycled
> >> cardboard eco-coffins in Choice magazine last year and had thought it
> to
> >> be
> >> such a good idea. Dad would?ve wanted his departure to be as low as
> >> impact
> >> upon the earth as possible.
> >>
> >> He wanted a safe and secure future for his children and for earth?s
> >> biodiversity. He wanted the Victorian state government to extend the
> >> ban on
> >> GM crops and for all GM ingredients to be labelled on our food. He
> >> wanted
> >> Australia to be GM-free.
> >> On this final day before the GM moratorium is set to be lifted in
> >> Victoria,
> >> we hope that somehow dad?s wishes will be granted and that premier John
> >> Brumby will rethink the state governments decision to lift the ban.
> >>
> >> My parent?s love of nature and care of the environment has been
> imparted
> >> to
> >> me, not only by my nature name ?Fern Rainbow?, that they gave to me,
> but
> >> also imprinted in my knowledge, ethics and lifestyle and for this I am
> >> eternally grateful. Thank you dad. You are in my heart and forever
> >> will
> >> be.
> >>
> >>
> >> Music-----Big Yellow Taxi,
> >> Both sides now, ------Joni Mitchell
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Pil-pc-oceania mailing list
> >> Pil-pc-oceania at lists.permacultureinternational.org
> >> http://jasper.cmsarchitects.com/mailman/listinfo/pil-pc-oceania
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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life - http://www.milkwood.net
work - http://www.milkwoodpermaculture.com.au
art - http://www.cicada.tv
phone - 02 6373 7763
mobile - 0407 194 593
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