[Pil-pc-oceania] Arabian desert salts
Christoph Redwitz
latuerlich at gmx.de
Sat Mar 1 09:45:51 EST 2008
Hm. More organic matter could bind salts. i agree. maybe Ca and Mg
stronger then Na... but i still dont see inert salts. I will ask Geoff.
Complex soil structures cant make salts inert and you cant break them
down. In my oppinion exactly that is the problem... maybe i can find
some stuff about it.
Greetings
Christoph
Julie Firth schrieb:
> Hi Christoph,
> If this helps you, the salt problems I witnessed around the dead sea were
> mainly magnesium and calcium rather than sodium.
> Kind regards
> Julie Firth
>
> Drylands Permaculture Rearch Farm and Education Centre
> 333 David Rd, Waggrakine
> Geraldton, W.A. 6530
> Tel. +61 (0) 899 381 628
> www.permaculturenursery.com.au
>
>
>> 1. Re: Permaculture of the Arabian Desert (David Arnold)
>>
>
>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 08:54:12 +1100
>> From: "David Arnold" <arnold.vt at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Pil-pc-oceania] Permaculture of the Arabian Desert
>> To: "permacultue discussion list"
>> <pil-pc-oceania at lists.permacultureinternational.org>
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>> christoph,
>>
>> you would have to ask Geoff what he means by this.
>>
>> dave
>>
>>
>> On 29/02/2008, Christoph Redwitz <latuerlich at gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>>> There is one very intersting thing in that video (ok, the hole project
>>> is impressing ;)). He said, that the salts became inert. how does that
>>> work? actually a cant imagine how. But it is great!
>>> Christoph
>>>
>>> Nick Ritar schrieb:
>>>
>>>> I'd have to recommend Geoff & Nadia Lawton, not only are they highly
>>>> experienced in the desert environment they have had quite a bit of
>>>> direct experience in the middle east, especially in Jordan. They are
>>>> also Muslim and Nadia speaks fluent arabic.
>>>>
>>>> Here is a link to a project they did some time back
>>>> http://www.milkwoodpermaculture.com.au/greening-the-desert.html
>>>>
>>>> They run the Permaculture Research Institue in Northern NSW their
>>>> website is http://permaculture.org.au
>>>> Phone: 61 (0)2-66886578, mobile 61 (0) 427862902
>>>> email: geoff at permaculture.org.au <mailto:geoff at permaculture.org.au> or
>>>> nadia at permaculture.org.au <mailto:nadia at permaculture.org.au>
>>>>
>>>> They are very busy people and can be a little hard to get hold of at
>>>> times... persistence will be rewarded.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Nick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 4:58 PM, <stevehart at maxnet.co.nz
>>>> <mailto:stevehart at maxnet.co.nz>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Permaculture of the Arabian Desert....I had a good meeting with the
>>>> Ministry of Environment Water and Agriculture on tuesday 27th I
>>>> would like
>>>> to consider the opportunity to offer a full Permaculture Design
>>>>
>>> course
>>>
>>>> here in United Arab emirates. Is there any teachers with specific
>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>> highly skilled experience in such desert environs that I can call
>>>> on
>>>> ....Steve Hart
>>>>
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>>>> > 1. Palestine Permaculture Workshop March 28 ? April 4
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>>>> > 2. GM protest this Thursday Melbourne 12pm parliament steps!
>>>> > Don't lift the ban! (Kerry Dawborn)
>>>> > 3. Re: Tribute to my dad (Kerry Dawborn)
>>>> > 4. Re: Tribute to my dad (Kerry Dawborn)
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>>>> > Message: 1
>>>> > Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:37:08 -0800
>>>> > From: Wesley Roe and Santa Barbara Permaculture Network
>>>> > <lakinroe at silcom.com <mailto:lakinroe at silcom.com>>
>>>> > Subject: [Pil-pc-oceania] Palestine Permaculture Workshop March
>>>> 28 ?
>>>> > April 4
>>>> > To: permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org
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>>>> > Palestine Permaculture Workshop Announcement
>>>> >
>>>> > March 28 ? April 4
>>>> > Marda Village Salfit District, West Bank, Palestine
>>>> >
>>>> > Join internationally acclaimed Permaculture
>>>> > instructors Starhawk, Jan Martin Bang and Murad
>>>> > Alkhufash in Marda Village in the West Bank of
>>>> > Palestine for an 8-day Permaculture Fundamentals
>>>> > Course. Work side-by-side with Palestinian farmers as
>>>> > you learn?and apply?permaculture design principles and
>>>> > techniques that can be translated to multiple
>>>> > environments.
>>>> >
>>>> > The focus of this workshop?due to extensive loss of
>>>> > communal Palestinian farming land and water to Israeli
>>>> > settlements?is intensive farming on small acreages.
>>>> > Topics addressed will include orchard and garden
>>>> > design, natural building with cob and stone,
>>>> > traditional Palestinian terrace construction,
>>>> > rainwater harvesting and graywater recycling, swales
>>>> > and keylines, vermiculture, composting, cover crops,
>>>> > bioremediation with mushroom mycelium, chicken
>>>> > tractors, and more. Participants can expect to learn
>>>> > through hands on projects including planting of an
>>>> > orchard and construction of a chicken coop using local
>>>> > soils, stone, and straw.
>>>> >
>>>> > The Marda Permaculture Farm is located within Marda
>>>> > village, in the West Bank of Palestine. Marda has a
>>>> > population of 2,600, and lies under the shadow of the
>>>> > Separation Wall and one of Israel?s largest
>>>> > settlements, Ariel. Learn about the on-the-ground
>>>> > reality in Palestine?from the people themselves,
>>>> > rather than all those who would speak for them.
>>>> >
>>>> > Instructors
>>>> >
>>>> > Starhawk is one of the most respected voices in
>>>> > earth-based spirituality. She is the author or
>>>> > coauthor of ten books, including the classics The
>>>> > Spiral Dance and The Fifth Sacred Thing. Her latest
>>>> > is Earth Path: Grounding Your Spirit in the Rhythms of
>>>> > Nature. Starhawk is a veteran of progressive
>>>> > movements, and deeply committed to bringing the
>>>> > techniques and creative power of spirituality to
>>>> > political activism. She travels internationally
>>>> > teaching magic, the tools of ritual, and the skills of
>>>> > activism. Her web site is www.starhawk.org
>>>> <http://www.starhawk.org>.
>>>> >
>>>> > Jan Martin Bang is a qualified Permaculture Designer
>>>> > and teacher with extensive experience in the Middle
>>>> > East, now a co-worker at Camphill Solborg in Norway.
>>>> > He was secretary of the Norwegian Permaculture
>>>> > Association, and has been active within the Norwegian
>>>> > Ecovillage Trust. He is currently on sabbatical leave
>>>> > for a year with his wife, Ruth Wilson.
>>>> >
>>>> > He has written two books on Permaculture Ecovillage
>>>> > Design: ?Ecovillages: a practical guide to sustainable
>>>> > communities? and ?Growing Eco Communities: practical
>>>> > ways to create sustainability.?
>>>> >
>>>> > Murad Alkhufash comes from a family who has farmed the
>>>> > Marda region for at least ten generations. His passion
>>>> > is in restoring the connection between his community
>>>> > and the land. The people of Marda, as in most West
>>>> > Bank villages, have been losing their ties to
>>>> > traditional farming methods due to loss of land,
>>>> > stress of the occupation as well as pressure to
>>>> > transition to synthetic fertilizers and pesticides.
>>>> > Murad received his permaculture training and
>>>> > certification at the Ecovillage Training Center at The
>>>> > Farm in Tennessee and acted as an instructor at this
>>>> > Center for four years prior to returning to Marda
>>>> > Village to establish the Marda Permaculture Farm.
>>>> >
>>>> > Cost to attend the Marda Permaculture Fundamentals
>>>> > Course is $500, which covers food, lodging, and
>>>> > coursework.
>>>> >
>>>> > For more details, and to apply, please contact:
>>>> >
>>>> > Tami Brunk
>>>> > Marda Farm International Coordinator
>>>> > <mailto:tamibrunk%40yahoo.com
>>>> <mailto:tamibrunk%40yahoo.com>>tamibrunk at yahoo.com
>>>> <mailto:tamibrunk at yahoo.com>
>>>> > (505) 243-3080
>>>> >
>>>> > If you want to build a ship don't herd people together to
>>>> collect wood
>>>> > and don't assign them tasks and work, but rather
>>>> > teach them to long for the endless immensity of the sea.
>>>> > -Antoine-Marie-Roger de Saint-Exupery
>>>> >
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>>>> > Message: 2
>>>> > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:13:13 +1100
>>>> > From: Kerry Dawborn <kj.dawborn at bigpond.com
>>>> <mailto:kj.dawborn at bigpond.com>>
>>>> > Subject: [Pil-pc-oceania] GM protest this Thursday Melbourne 12pm
>>>> > parliament steps! Don't lift the ban!
>>>> > To: acox at optusnet.com.au <mailto:acox at optusnet.com.au>,
>>>> adam at myspinach.org <mailto:adam at myspinach.org>, Aidan Quick
>>>> > <aidanquick at hotmail.com <mailto:aidanquick at hotmail.com>>,
>>>> Ali Broome
>>>> > <bluetongueorganics at yahoo.com.au
>>>> <mailto:bluetongueorganics at yahoo.com.au>>, amanda pippos
>>>> > <amandapippos at hotmail.com
>>>> <mailto:amandapippos at hotmail.com>>, amanda williams
>>>> <brockspur at aapt.net.au <mailto:brockspur at aapt.net.au>>,
>>>> > Amy Glastonbury & Luc Rolland <lucamy at mooramoora.org.au
>>>> <mailto:lucamy at mooramoora.org.au>>, Andrea Cook
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>>>> <earthsong at pacific.net.au <mailto:earthsong at pacific.net.au>>,
>>>> Anurag
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>>>> arkangel at wideband.net.au <mailto:arkangel at wideband.net.au>,
>>>> Astrid Huwald
>>>> > <astridhuwald at yahoo.com.au
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>>>> lowe <becklowe at bigpond.com <mailto:becklowe at bigpond.com>>,
>>>> Benton
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>>>> <mailto:ecorendesign at sakienvirotech.com>>, Bernard
>>>> > <scollard at bigpond.net.au
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>>>> Jane MacDiarmid <cj at eco.com.au <mailto:cj at eco.com.au
>>>>
>>>>> , Campbell
>>>>>
>>>> > Emma <E.Campbell at yarraranges.vic.gov.au
>>>> <mailto:E.Campbell at yarraranges.vic.gov.au>>, carey priest
>>>> > <careypriest at yahoo.com.au
>>>> <mailto:careypriest at yahoo.com.au>>, Caroline Smith
>>>> > <C.Smith at patrick.acu.edu.au
>>>> <mailto:C.Smith at patrick.acu.edu.au>>, cerian jones
>>>> <cerian at bigpond.com <mailto:cerian at bigpond.com>>,
>>>> > charlie at envict.org.au <mailto:charlie at envict.org.au>,
>>>> Charlie Davie <charlie.davie at envict.org.au
>>>> <mailto:charlie.davie at envict.org.au>>,
>>>> > Chris Braden <christinebraden at bordernet.com.au
>>>> <mailto:christinebraden at bordernet.com.au>>, christine ross
>>>> > <christine at largeblackpigs.com.au
>>>> <mailto:christine at largeblackpigs.com.au>>, dakini maddock
>>>> > <maddakini at yahoo.com <mailto:maddakini at yahoo.com>>, dan
>>>> Palmer <darnample at gmail.com <mailto:darnample at gmail.com>>,
>>>> deborah
>>>> > guess <debguess at iprimus.com.au
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>>>> > "g.rhys maddern-wellington" <grmw at melbpc.org.au
>>>> <mailto:grmw at melbpc.org.au>>, Geoff Browne
>>>> > <GeoffB at brimbank.vic.gov.au
>>>> <mailto:GeoffB at brimbank.vic.gov.au>>, Geoff Lawton
>>>> > <geoff at permaculture.org.au
>>>> <mailto:geoff at permaculture.org.au>>, Graeme George - Earthcare
>>>> Permaculture
>>>> > <earthcarepc at virtual.net.au
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>>>> > Green Canary <connect at greencanary.com
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>>>> > <greengurm at yahoo.com.au <mailto:greengurm at yahoo.com.au>>,
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>>>> > holycowcafe at hotmail.com <mailto:holycowcafe at hotmail.com>,
>>>> Ian Cornthwaite <icornthwaite at hotmail.com
>>>> <mailto:icornthwaite at hotmail.com>>,
>>>> > Ian Lillington <livpermaculture at internode.on.net
>>>> <mailto:livpermaculture at internode.on.net>>, Ian Sims
>>>> > <ian at greenspeed.com.au <mailto:ian at greenspeed.com.au>>,
>>>> J&R Nieuwenhuis <rni77753 at bigpond.net.au
>>>> <mailto:rni77753 at bigpond.net.au>>,
>>>> > James Bristow <bristow_james at yahoo.com.au
>>>> <mailto:bristow_james at yahoo.com.au>>, Jane Scott
>>>> > <janescott at netspace.net.au
>>>> <mailto:janescott at netspace.net.au>>, Jenny Millar
>>>> <jennymillar at hotmail.com <mailto:jennymillar at hotmail.com>>,
>>>> > Jill Fraser <wotw at optusnet.com.au
>>>> <mailto:wotw at optusnet.com.au>>, John Dawborn
>>>> > <amjkd at activ8.net.au <mailto:amjkd at activ8.net.au>>, Judy
>>>> Anderson <judys.farm at bigpond.com <mailto:judys.farm at bigpond.com>>,
>>>> judy
>>>> > anderson <judysfarm at foxall.com.au
>>>> <mailto:judysfarm at foxall.com.au>>, Julian Guess
>>>> > <jguess at bigpond.net.au <mailto:jguess at bigpond.net.au>>,
>>>> Kirsty Fletcher <kirsty at auckett.net <mailto:kirsty at auckett.net>>,
>>>> Klyti
>>>> > Scott <klyti77 at hotmail.com <mailto:klyti77 at hotmail.com>>,
>>>> Laurence Gaffney <l.gaffney at bigpond.com
>>>> <mailto:l.gaffney at bigpond.com>>,
>>>> > Lisa <lisajobson at optusnet.com.au
>>>> <mailto:lisajobson at optusnet.com.au>>, Lyn Cunningham
>>>> > <wildcrust at yahoo.com.au <mailto:wildcrust at yahoo.com.au>>,
>>>> Martha Hills <mrh03049 at yahoo.com
>>>> <mailto:mrh03049 at yahoo.com>>, "Martha
>>>> > R. Hills" <mrhills at melbpc.org.au
>>>> <mailto:mrhills at melbpc.org.au>>, mhwarman at optusnet.com.au
>>>> <mailto:mhwarman at optusnet.com.au>, Michael
>>>> > di Oliveira <christymarley at hotkey.net.au
>>>> <mailto:christymarley at hotkey.net.au>>, Miriam Solomon
>>>> > <miriams at coombs.anu.edu.au
>>>> <mailto:miriams at coombs.anu.edu.au>>, Naomi Coleman
>>>> > <coleman.naomi.r at edumail.vic.gov.au
>>>> <mailto:coleman.naomi.r at edumail.vic.gov.au>>, Pam Morgan
>>>> > <pamorgan at netspace.net.au
>>>> <mailto:pamorgan at netspace.net.au>>, Pete the Permie
>>>> <telopeamtn at bigpond.com <mailto:telopeamtn at bigpond.com>>,
>>>> > Peter Dawborn <Peter.Dawborn at tafe.tas.edu.au
>>>> <mailto:Peter.Dawborn at tafe.tas.edu.au>>, Richard Bolus
>>>> > <richard.bolus at greencanary.com
>>>> <mailto:richard.bolus at greencanary.com>>, Robert Dawborn
>>>> > <willunga.dawborn at bigpond.com
>>>> <mailto:willunga.dawborn at bigpond.com>>, Robert Nieuwenhuis
>>>> > <rnieuwenhuis at terrafirma.com.au
>>>> <mailto:rnieuwenhuis at terrafirma.com.au>>, Robyn Currie
>>>> > <rrcurrie at optusnet.com.au
>>>> <mailto:rrcurrie at optusnet.com.au>>, Rosemary Johnson
>>>> > <rosemaryjohnson at aanet.com.au
>>>> <mailto:rosemaryjohnson at aanet.com.au>>, Sally Djurovich
>>>> > <mustangsal193 at hotmail.com
>>>> <mailto:mustangsal193 at hotmail.com>>, scarletwoman at hotmail.com
>>>> <mailto:scarletwoman at hotmail.com>, simon woodland
>>>> > <simbin at mooramoora.org.au
>>>> <mailto:simbin at mooramoora.org.au>>, Stephen Ingrouille
>>>> > <steve at goingsolar.com.au
>>>> <mailto:steve at goingsolar.com.au>>, steven turner
>>>> <aquacray at virtual.net.au <mailto:aquacray at virtual.net.au>>,
>>>> > Stuart Pougher <spougher at hotmail.com
>>>> <mailto:spougher at hotmail.com>>, stuart ryder & luna white
>>>> > <stupooh72 at yahoo.co.au <mailto:stupooh72 at yahoo.co.au>>,
>>>> Sue Van Graas <saargnav at netspace.net.au
>>>> <mailto:saargnav at netspace.net.au>>,
>>>> > vanessa wighton <di_vaness at yahoo.com.au
>>>> <mailto:di_vaness at yahoo.com.au>>, viarnne mischon
>>>> > <info at wonderfulworldmedia.net
>>>> <mailto:info at wonderfulworldmedia.net>>, Virginia Solomon
>>>> > <vsolomon at elthamcollege.vic.edu.au
>>>> <mailto:vsolomon at elthamcollege.vic.edu.au>>, Virginia Solomon
>>>> > <vsolomon at netspace.net.au
>>>> <mailto:vsolomon at netspace.net.au>>, yrenviro at yahoogroups.com.au
>>>> <mailto:yrenviro at yahoogroups.com.au>, oceania list
>>>> > latest <pil-pc-oceania at lists.permacultureinternational.org
>>>> <mailto:pil-pc-oceania at lists.permacultureinternational.org>>
>>>> > Message-ID: <47C35999.6060904 at bigpond.com
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>>>> > Hi Friends,
>>>> >
>>>> > If you live in or near melbourne, or have friends or family who
>>>> do and
>>>> > are concerned about GM crops and don't want the ban in Victoria
>>>> to be
>>>> > lifted this friday Feb 29th, come along to the GM-Free Rally at
>>>>
>>> 12pm
>>>
>>>> > this Thursday on the Parliament House steps in Melbourne.
>>>> >
>>>> > For more information go to:
>>>> >
>>>> > http://geneethics.org/calendar/display/20080228
>>>> >
>>>> > I'll be there - come along and make your views known loudly and
>>>> clearly!
>>>> > Oh, and don't forget to forward this info to friends and family!
>>>> >
>>>> > See you there!
>>>> >
>>>> > Kerry Dawborn
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ------------------------------
>>>> >
>>>> > Message: 3
>>>> > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:09:01 +1100
>>>> > From: Kerry Dawborn <kj.dawborn at bigpond.com
>>>> <mailto:kj.dawborn at bigpond.com>>
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Pil-pc-oceania] Tribute to my dad
>>>> > To: permacultue discussion list
>>>> > <pil-pc-oceania at lists.permacultureinternational.org
>>>> <mailto:pil-pc-oceania at lists.permacultureinternational.org>>
>>>> > Message-ID: <47C552DD.9040209 at bigpond.com
>>>> <mailto:47C552DD.9040209 at bigpond.com>>
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>>>> >
>>>> > Wow Fern - thanks for sharing that... Sounds like your dad was an
>>>> > interesting, thoughtful man. Your eulogy has brought tears to my
>>>> eyes...
>>>> >
>>>> > Kerry Dawborn
>>>> >
>>>> > Fern Rainbow wrote:
>>>> >> My dad's service, a celebration of his life will be held at the
>>>> >> Warrnambool
>>>> >> Special Developmental School hall this Thursday, February 28th
>>>> at 5pm.
>>>> >> I'd like to thank the many permies on this listserv who have
>>>> emailed me
>>>> >> their support & help during the last few weeks. As none of you
>>>> know
>>>> >> dad,
>>>> >> I'd like to post some info and photos of my dad.
>>>> >> Firstly, this is my contribution and what I'll be reading out,
>>>> near the
>>>> >> end
>>>> >> of his service. I'll post the full service and photos in the
>>>> coming
>>>> >> weeks.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Tribute to my dad ? Peter Thomas Ockerby
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Dad was an environmentalist, scientist and teacher.
>>>> >> He was part of a research team at the University of Toronto in
>>>> the early
>>>> >> 1960?s looking into the declining aquatic life in the Great
>>>> Lakes. They
>>>> >> were studying the water currents. When their research pointed
>>>> to
>>>> >> pollution
>>>> >> due to the heated waste-water being pumped from the nearby
>>>> Nuclear power
>>>> >> plant, all their research and funding disappeared.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Dad then obtained his teaching qualifications and started
>>>>
>>> teaching
>>>
>>>> >> science
>>>> >> in Canada. Deeply concerned about environmental issues, he
>>>> tried to
>>>> >> teach
>>>> >> what was then called ?the hot-house effect? but was reprimanded
>>>>
>>> for
>>>
>>>> >> teaching
>>>> >> this theory. [He was also not allowed to teach Hubbard's peak
>>>>
>>> oil
>>>
>>>> >> theory, a
>>>> >> well known but controversial scientific paper in the 1960?s]
>>>> >>
>>>> >> After his mother died, Dad moved back to Australia and started
>>>> teaching
>>>> >> at
>>>> >> Melbourne Boys High (the school that he was educated at). Dad
>>>> was a
>>>> >> very
>>>> >> patient and well-liked teacher. He liked teaching at nice small
>>>> >> secondary
>>>> >> schools in rural areas and stayed teaching full time until his
>>>> >> retirement at
>>>> >> 60 years of age.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> In 1969 he met then married my mum the year after. They were
>>>> both avid
>>>> >> organic gardeners and shared their love of nature and care of
>>>> the
>>>> >> environment. Really they were permaculturists before the word
>>>> >> ?Permaculture? existed, and we always had a menagerie of
>>>> animals that
>>>> >> helped
>>>> >> our edible jungle-like garden grow and vice-versa.
>>>> >> >From the early 70?s, they started to look for land to share
>>>> nature with
>>>> >> like-minded people and to bring up their children with a free
>>>> and
>>>> >> healthy
>>>> >> lifestyle. In 1974 they were part of the formation of
>>>> >> ?Irun-ilam-baluk?, a
>>>> >> land co-operative in the Strathbogie ranges based on Peter
>>>> Cook?s design
>>>> >> of
>>>> >> Moora Moora co-operative. There they started building their
>>>> >> self-sufficient
>>>> >> home out in the bush. They were full of ideals, hopes and
>>>>
>>> dreams.
>>>
>>>> >> But working on the co-operative, building their home and living
>>>> out of a
>>>> >> caravan with five children in a harsh environment created
>>>> strains within
>>>> >> my
>>>> >> parent?s relationship. Their break up started in 1975 and ended
>>>> with a
>>>> >> divorce in 1982. Although they spent my childhood apart, I
>>>> have fond
>>>> >> memories of visiting dad; going yabbying, visiting the
>>>> butterfly house
>>>> >> at
>>>> >> Melbourne zoo and dad reading ?The hobbit? to me when I was
>>>> sick and in
>>>> >> bed.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> My parents got back together again when I was 15 and had Davin,
>>>>
>>> my
>>>
>>>> >> younger
>>>> >> brother who is autistic. For the past 15 years while my
>>>> parents have
>>>> >> dedicated their lives to looking after Davin, they have
>>>> maintained an
>>>> >> edible
>>>> >> garden and implemented energy efficient designs and systems
>>>> within their
>>>> >> urban home. In the past two years, since moving to a smaller
>>>> home they
>>>> >> have
>>>> >> been retrofitting it; putting on solar panels, tiling the floor
>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>> >> create a
>>>> >> heat bank, putting in a water tank, edible garden and fruit
>>>> trees, with
>>>> >> plans for a greywater system and chook house.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Dad always said to just put him in the compost when he died and
>>>> mum &
>>>> >> dad
>>>> >> hadn?t discussed anything else. But dad had seen the 100%
>>>>
>>> recycled
>>>
>>>> >> cardboard eco-coffins in Choice magazine last year and had
>>>> thought it to
>>>> >> be
>>>> >> such a good idea. Dad would?ve wanted his departure to be as
>>>> low as
>>>> >> impact
>>>> >> upon the earth as possible.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> He wanted a safe and secure future for his children and for
>>>>
>>> earth?s
>>>
>>>> >> biodiversity. He wanted the Victorian state government to
>>>> extend the
>>>> >> ban on
>>>> >> GM crops and for all GM ingredients to be labelled on our food.
>>>>
>>> He
>>>
>>>> >> wanted
>>>> >> Australia to be GM-free.
>>>> >> On this final day before the GM moratorium is set to be lifted
>>>> in
>>>> >> Victoria,
>>>> >> we hope that somehow dad?s wishes will be granted and that
>>>> premier John
>>>> >> Brumby will rethink the state governments decision to lift the
>>>>
>>> ban.
>>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> My parent?s love of nature and care of the environment has been
>>>> imparted
>>>> >> to
>>>> >> me, not only by my nature name ?Fern Rainbow?, that they gave
>>>> to me, but
>>>> >> also imprinted in my knowledge, ethics and lifestyle and for
>>>> this I am
>>>> >> eternally grateful. Thank you dad. You are in my heart and
>>>> forever
>>>> >> will
>>>> >> be.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Music-----Big Yellow Taxi,
>>>> >> Both sides now, ------Joni Mitchell
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
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>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ------------------------------
>>>> >
>>>> > Message: 4
>>>> > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:27:52 +1100
>>>> > From: Kerry Dawborn <kj.dawborn at bigpond.com
>>>> <mailto:kj.dawborn at bigpond.com>>
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Pil-pc-oceania] Tribute to my dad
>>>> > To: oceania list latest
>>>> > <pil-pc-oceania at lists.permacultureinternational.org
>>>> <mailto:pil-pc-oceania at lists.permacultureinternational.org>>
>>>> > Message-ID: <47C55748.8010000 at bigpond.com
>>>> <mailto:47C55748.8010000 at bigpond.com>>
>>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>> >
>>>> > Wow Fern - thanks for sharing that... Sounds like your dad was a
>>>> really
>>>> > interesting, thoughtful man. Clearly his positive influence on
>>>> you has
>>>> > been extremely strong... Your eulogy has brought tears to my
>>>>
>>> eyes...
>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Kerry Dawborn
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Fern Rainbow wrote:
>>>> >> My dad's service, a celebration of his life will be held at the
>>>> >> Warrnambool
>>>> >> Special Developmental School hall this Thursday, February 28th
>>>> at 5pm.
>>>> >> I'd like to thank the many permies on this listserv who have
>>>> emailed me
>>>> >> their support & help during the last few weeks. As none of you
>>>> know
>>>> >> dad,
>>>> >> I'd like to post some info and photos of my dad.
>>>> >> Firstly, this is my contribution and what I'll be reading out,
>>>> near the
>>>> >> end
>>>> >> of his service. I'll post the full service and photos in the
>>>> coming
>>>> >> weeks.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Tribute to my dad ? Peter Thomas Ockerby
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Dad was an environmentalist, scientist and teacher.
>>>> >> He was part of a research team at the University of Toronto in
>>>> the early
>>>> >> 1960?s looking into the declining aquatic life in the Great
>>>> Lakes. They
>>>> >> were studying the water currents. When their research pointed
>>>> to
>>>> >> pollution
>>>> >> due to the heated waste-water being pumped from the nearby
>>>> Nuclear power
>>>> >> plant, all their research and funding disappeared.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Dad then obtained his teaching qualifications and started
>>>>
>>> teaching
>>>
>>>> >> science
>>>> >> in Canada. Deeply concerned about environmental issues, he
>>>> tried to
>>>> >> teach
>>>> >> what was then called ?the hot-house effect? but was reprimanded
>>>>
>>> for
>>>
>>>> >> teaching
>>>> >> this theory. [He was also not allowed to teach Hubbard's peak
>>>>
>>> oil
>>>
>>>> >> theory, a
>>>> >> well known but controversial scientific paper in the 1960?s]
>>>> >>
>>>> >> After his mother died, Dad moved back to Australia and started
>>>> teaching
>>>> >> at
>>>> >> Melbourne Boys High (the school that he was educated at). Dad
>>>> was a
>>>> >> very
>>>> >> patient and well-liked teacher. He liked teaching at nice small
>>>> >> secondary
>>>> >> schools in rural areas and stayed teaching full time until his
>>>> >> retirement at
>>>> >> 60 years of age.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> In 1969 he met then married my mum the year after. They were
>>>> both avid
>>>> >> organic gardeners and shared their love of nature and care of
>>>> the
>>>> >> environment. Really they were permaculturists before the word
>>>> >> ?Permaculture? existed, and we always had a menagerie of
>>>> animals that
>>>> >> helped
>>>> >> our edible jungle-like garden grow and vice-versa.
>>>> >> >From the early 70?s, they started to look for land to share
>>>> nature with
>>>> >> like-minded people and to bring up their children with a free
>>>> and
>>>> >> healthy
>>>> >> lifestyle. In 1974 they were part of the formation of
>>>> >> ?Irun-ilam-baluk?, a
>>>> >> land co-operative in the Strathbogie ranges based on Peter
>>>> Cook?s design
>>>> >> of
>>>> >> Moora Moora co-operative. There they started building their
>>>> >> self-sufficient
>>>> >> home out in the bush. They were full of ideals, hopes and
>>>>
>>> dreams.
>>>
>>>> >> But working on the co-operative, building their home and living
>>>> out of a
>>>> >> caravan with five children in a harsh environment created
>>>> strains within
>>>> >> my
>>>> >> parent?s relationship. Their break up started in 1975 and ended
>>>> with a
>>>> >> divorce in 1982. Although they spent my childhood apart, I
>>>> have fond
>>>> >> memories of visiting dad; going yabbying, visiting the
>>>> butterfly house
>>>> >> at
>>>> >> Melbourne zoo and dad reading ?The hobbit? to me when I was
>>>> sick and in
>>>> >> bed.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> My parents got back together again when I was 15 and had Davin,
>>>>
>>> my
>>>
>>>> >> younger
>>>> >> brother who is autistic. For the past 15 years while my
>>>> parents have
>>>> >> dedicated their lives to looking after Davin, they have
>>>> maintained an
>>>> >> edible
>>>> >> garden and implemented energy efficient designs and systems
>>>> within their
>>>> >> urban home. In the past two years, since moving to a smaller
>>>> home they
>>>> >> have
>>>> >> been retrofitting it; putting on solar panels, tiling the floor
>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>> >> create a
>>>> >> heat bank, putting in a water tank, edible garden and fruit
>>>> trees, with
>>>> >> plans for a greywater system and chook house.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Dad always said to just put him in the compost when he died and
>>>> mum &
>>>> >> dad
>>>> >> hadn?t discussed anything else. But dad had seen the 100%
>>>>
>>> recycled
>>>
>>>> >> cardboard eco-coffins in Choice magazine last year and had
>>>> thought it to
>>>> >> be
>>>> >> such a good idea. Dad would?ve wanted his departure to be as
>>>> low as
>>>> >> impact
>>>> >> upon the earth as possible.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> He wanted a safe and secure future for his children and for
>>>>
>>> earth?s
>>>
>>>> >> biodiversity. He wanted the Victorian state government to
>>>> extend the
>>>> >> ban on
>>>> >> GM crops and for all GM ingredients to be labelled on our food.
>>>>
>>> He
>>>
>>>> >> wanted
>>>> >> Australia to be GM-free.
>>>> >> On this final day before the GM moratorium is set to be lifted
>>>> in
>>>> >> Victoria,
>>>> >> we hope that somehow dad?s wishes will be granted and that
>>>> premier John
>>>> >> Brumby will rethink the state governments decision to lift the
>>>>
>>> ban.
>>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> My parent?s love of nature and care of the environment has been
>>>> imparted
>>>> >> to
>>>> >> me, not only by my nature name ?Fern Rainbow?, that they gave
>>>> to me, but
>>>> >> also imprinted in my knowledge, ethics and lifestyle and for
>>>> this I am
>>>> >> eternally grateful. Thank you dad. You are in my heart and
>>>> forever
>>>> >> will
>>>> >> be.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Music-----Big Yellow Taxi,
>>>> >> Both sides now, ------Joni Mitchell
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> Pil-pc-oceania mailing list
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>>>> <mailto:Pil-pc-oceania at lists.permacultureinternational.org>
>>>> >> http://jasper.cmsarchitects.com/mailman/listinfo/pil-pc-oceania
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
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