[Pil-pc-oceania] taking Ronnies comments further

[Ronnie Coleman]

Hi Sue,

I agree with your email. There is emerging a time for Permaculture to gain
greater recognition and to be an example & resource for education regarding
sustainable living. But we need to come together, not be squabbling between
each other. & yes this process requires diplomacy and will also entail
politics. It's in-escapable when there's so many people with different
perspectives. So collectively we need to come to a few important concepts
that we all agree on. Stick to the basics (where Permaculture got it's
roots).

This is not for me to decide, -but for Permaculture as a whole.

r0tiNeK

On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 11:18 AM, mossmans <mossmans at internode.on.net> wrote:

>  In defence of Ronnie, I think they are suggesting that some of these
> items are for our communities, eg Solar electricity that do cost money,
> and I don't think they are necessarily suggesting this for those who are
> permaculturists, but lets face it…..
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> How many people practicing and espousing permaculture have everything …how
> many even can eat from their own gardens (thank God the supermarket is a
> close backup!!)  it is not cheap to do all those things and they are
> usually part of a progressing plan within a household.  You still have
> other financial and time burdens that must be met, so you do this small and
> add to it as you can.
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> And ok, so we P people may have many of the elements,  but what about the
> rest of the population??
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> In todays (March 9) Sunday Telegraph, with the heading "One in five girls
> are fat"  it goes on to say, "cash strapped parents are denying their
> children vegetables, with almost one in three saying they simply cannot
> afford fresh produce due to lack of time and cost of sports etc".
>
> Probably paying off a McMansion mortgage and a tiny backyard makes it
> difficult to grow a lot of food. But not impossible.
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> In a small 6 metre x 4 metre no dig garden patch we workshopped at
> Illabunda EcoVillage in Winston Hills Sydney, the produce has been
> incredible from that plot, as long as it is quickly replanted (succession).
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> So how are we Permaculture practitioners developing a plan to help support
> our populations, and is this something we only do locally if there happens
> to be a strong group, or are we doing this as a organized group eg like
> ACF, with a game plan to make a difference on a national level.
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> This does kind of take me to the fact that I think we need to get our act
> together if we don't want to fade into insignificance, while councils and
> other organizations impact thinking.  So no matter how our 21st century
> permaculture thinking may direct us as individuals we have no impact at any
> other level.  So it is time we develop into the organization that we can
> be -  to make a change so that in the future we can demand a place on 2020
> discussions about where our nation goes, rather than just as individuals
> applying and hoping to be chosen for this.  I suppose it is interesting
> that an actress has more clout than some of the esteemed people in
> permaculture.  So lets stop hiding light under a bushel and get out there.
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> Cant wait for the APC9,  lets hope the discussion on the last two days
> will lead us down an active and unified organizational level.
>
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>
> Sue Mossman
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> Progressing on the pathway
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