[Pil-pc-oceania] Brisbane--Australia's first permaculture city?

[Graeme George]

Pat

What you are suggesting is called a feed-in tariff and needs to be a  
lot higher than the regular rates. I understand that in Germany (?)  
the feed-in tariff is it is 4 times the usage price charged to  
customers - that is designed to provide a real incentive, and is set  
on the assumption that power costs are going to escalate rapidly in  
the near future and may prove cheaper for power companies if they lock  
customers in to longer term contracts at what are now attractive  
rates. Again I understand that proponents of this in Australia are  
suggesting at least double the tariff.

Graeme

On 13/03/2008, at 4:47 PM, Pat wrote:

> Here is a suggestion to help make every city and town more
> permacultural:  start a campaign to encourage governments, state &
> federal, to smooth the way for the mass introduction of 'two way'
> electricity meters.  This smoothing could take the form of a subsidy
> to help householders buy the meters and have them installed,
> legislation to remove obstacles to the use of these meters, and
> perhaps a scheme for the authority to buy the electricity produced by
> a household at a slightly higher price than the household pays for
> electricity from the grid.
>
> This situation would be a great encouragement to people to invest in
> solar panels and wind generators, with the real bonus of eliminating
> the need for all those batteries.
>
> I think there are a lot of people out there who would jump at the
> chance to do this, but are overwhelmed by the difficulties associated
> with the current, common, stand-alone systems.  I know there are some
> objections and problems perceived by those who run the grid, but I am
> sure they can be overcome.
>
> This makes sense to me -- what does anybody else think?
>
> Cheers,
> Pat
>
>
> On 13/03/2008, at 7:10 AM, Robyn Williamson wrote:
>
>> David White of the Socialist Alliance is standing for election to
>> Brisbane City Council, Central Ward, on Saturday March 15 and is
>> proposing amongst other things that Brisbane be made Australia's
>> first permaculture city.  This would include:
>>
>> * a resourced city farm in every suburb
>>
>> * community ecologists working with local communities to combat
>> climate change and extend local sustainability
>>
>> * new buildings mandated with energy-saving design
>>
>> * free water tanks
>>
>> Free public transport is another possibility being put forward by
>> David and to fund this he is asking how much money could be saved if
>> the REAL costs (estimated at over $1.5 billion per annum) of having a
>> city dominated by cars were taken into account.  Download or view
>> David's election leaflet here:
>>
>> http://bp3.blogger.com/_nlVqFD-yqU4/R7zv6BHdHcI/AAAAAAAABKU/
>> 0ICCUpQzTjs/s1600-h/Screenshot.png
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave Riley's report of a discussion held at Northey Street City Farm
>> about how to make Brisbane a permaculture city is reprinted below and
>> available on the net at:
>>
>> http://leftclickblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/peraculture-zones-urban-
>> design-and.html
>>
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