[Pil-pc-oceania] Pil-pc-oceania Digest, Vol 17, Issue 78

[Gnoll 110]

One issue is how much GH gases you release, but more important is where the carbon (including embody energy) came from in the first place. Is a fire better that an electric light? Would the depend of if the electricity is solar or gas or oil or coal fired. Is the fire a wood fire or brickettes?

I always ask, "where was that energy a year ago, 10 years ago, a hundred years and a thousand years ago?" Ultimately you're going to end up in one of four places. The sun, heat in the crust or below, the moon (tidal) or in a since mined crust deposit (I use this wording to cover exhaustible fossil fuels & radioactives).  

I'll leave you to work out witch 3 are exceptable and witch one isn't!


On 26/03/2008, at 12:04 PM, Graeme George wrote:


> but hydro-electricity doesn't produce GH gases. I argued then that  
> we may well have produced EXTRA GH gases by burning thousands of  
> candles during that period.


You do also have a point here. What is the worst kind of situation  
though, emissions from a single point like a power station, or every  
house for instance like the olden days with wood fired heating /  
stoves ?. I love the old wood fired stoves though, my mother grew up  
with one and I managed to see one again when I went to a remote part  
of Estonia a few years ago :D

Would wood fired boilers be counted as "extra GH gasses". One or two  
homes dotted around the place may be ok, but imagine condensed usage.  
So carbon utility power is the cause and effect from  societies  
building up condensed cities and population growth. Leaving not much  
area for people to generate their own unless lots were allocated for  
such tasks, aswell as growing food for the suburb heh.


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   1. Re: [Fwd from Kerry Dawborn: Earth Hour 2008 - please be part
      of a simple global action] (Daniel Rossi)


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On 26/03/2008, at 12:04 PM, Graeme George wrote:


> but hydro-electricity doesn't produce GH gases. I argued then that  
> we may well have produced EXTRA GH gases by burning thousands of  
> candles during that period.


You do also have a point here. What is the worst kind of situation  
though, emissions from a single point like a power station, or every  
house for instance like the olden days with wood fired heating /  
stoves ?. I love the old wood fired stoves though, my mother grew up  
with one and I managed to see one again when I went to a remote part  
of Estonia a few years ago :D

Would wood fired boilers be counted as "extra GH gasses". One or two  
homes dotted around the place may be ok, but imagine condensed usage.  
So carbon utility power is the cause and effect from  societies  
building up condensed cities and population growth. Leaving not much  
area for people to generate their own unless lots were allocated for  
such tasks, aswell as growing food for the suburb heh. 
  


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